Physical pain, Spiritual gain - Page 3

allstate1 · #1 10-26-2016, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by YounginHope

So often (if not always) a problem or enduring pain in this physical life is an indication somethings changing or needing to be changed in your Spiritual walk. It happens to everyone and often. Sometimes it's not hardly noticeable and other times it shakes you to your core. But every time it opens a pathway to growth. I'm in awe when God gives me the opportunity to see it playing out in my life before my eyes. I think it's part of praying and God granting understanding about these things. If your dealing with something in your life in the physical realm whether it be at work, your spouse, or some kind of pain you better believe that it's also playing out in your spirit as well. And the good news is that both are used to further you on the path to a closer walk with God. We just usually think we had a bad day (or good one) when really we are having growing pains. And sometimes it's the only way we will change. And change is exactly what we need or trust me our kind, gentil, loving, and always merciful God would prevent us from ever seeing troubling times. Too often we fail to see what we are missing or we take our eye that is supposed to be single off of Him and place it on something else. Often we are not even aware we are doing this until it's already done. We feel as if we are doing what we can to have a walk with God. We did the same thing today as yesterday. Isn't that good enough? No. We are to be ever changing. We are the clay, not a finished vessel. And Jesus is the potter. And we never want him to take His hands off of us. But if we were finished, He would have no reason to continue molding and shaping us into what He desires us to be. See, that is where we are missing it when we start thinking we know what God has in store for us. Or that we know what we need and that our desires are Gods desires. And mercy is handed out here, too, when after we do all we can to see our desires play out instead of His we see that His desire for our life is much sweeter than what we wanted anyway. How patient is our God! He treats us like we are an only child that He's waited a lifetime to have and looks at us as if we never made a mistake, every time. Could you be mean or harm your own tiny little beautiful baby that you waited for ever for? God sees you as that baby once you become His. He loves you like that but even more. Let the desires of God play out in your life. Let Him make your path straight. It's what Paul did and was talking about 9And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
So Paul would rather have problems knowing God would see him through than to be free from trouble with the possibility of forgetting God. That's a big thing. Know what your asking when you desire to be close to God. You may think your ready but change is the only way. We think we see clearly that this path we walk is leading us to God and sometimes we are wondering around blindly. God will straighten your path if you don't resist and can see what's going on. We often began to fight against it at first not knowing change is needed. Gods not working against you, He's working on you, for you. Pray for understanding. Pray for knowledge.

I don't expect everyone here will agree with most of this. It is my experience and story dealing with severe lower back pain for a few years and realizing even this pain has a purpose?

I disagree with the physical pain part. We are humans we will die. On the path from birth to death we will have pain. Can we have spiritual gain because we have physical pain? Hmmmmm only because the pain brings our focus more on the prayer of faith. I don't believe I fell and broke my arm because something was out of line spiritually. Now with the physical pain and the missed work and paychecks ofcourse I prayed more for my situation than normal. I have stopped praying for myself when I have a cold or stump my toe or when my son cut himself really bad. Its not because I don't have faith in healing its because I have realized as humans these things are going to happen. Now on the flip side I do pray for safety over my family. I think sometime we think we are not supposed to endure anything physical.

YounginHope · #2 10-26-2016, 06:37 AM

Not whining about a liitle pain. Rather rejoicing at what it's done for me.

2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness.

I'm weak.

allstate1 · #3 10-26-2016, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by YounginHope

Not whining about a liitle pain. Rather rejoicing at what it's done for me.

2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness.

I'm weak.

I must be slow. I am not following your thought pattern. I totally disagree with the first sentence in your original post. I don't believe physical pain has anything to do with spirituality. We have physical pain simply because we are human. Can we and should we gain spiritually from physical pain? prolly so. But to imply that most all physical pain is because of spiritual shortcoming is a stretch.

YounginHope · #4 10-26-2016, 07:01 AM

It's likely not you, lol. I have a hard time conveying my thoughts.

I read that Paul had pain (thorn in the flesh) and petitioned God about it and received this message.
2Co 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

It took me a long time to realize there was good that could come from my pain. But it could be that in my weakness His strength is made perfect. And I guess you can look at it like everyone has pains. But I know from experience that years of back pain are different than a few weeks with a broken arm. Either way, I'm done focusing on the pain and that is the point of the thread. Victory for me didn't have to come with physical healing.

allstate1 · #5 10-26-2016, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by YounginHope

It's likely not you, lol. I have a hard time conveying my thoughts.

I read that Paul had pain (thorn in the flesh) and petitioned God about it and received this message.
2Co 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

It took me a long time to realize there was good that could come from my pain. But it could be that in my weakness His strength is made perfect. And I guess you can look at it like everyone has pains. But I know from experience that years of back pain are different than a few weeks with a broken arm. Either way, I'm done focusing on the pain and that is the point of the thread. Victory for me didn't have to come with physical healing.

Now I see more clearly. The understanding that one will have pain, acute or chronic, during a lifetime and not get healed is my point. Accepting the fact that this pain will be part of your life until death IMO is a victory. After this acceptance you can focus on other things. Then you can truly say "through Christ alone..."

shazeep · #6 10-26-2016, 08:24 AM

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Now I see more clearly. The understanding that one will have pain, acute or chronic, during a lifetime and not get healed is my point. Accepting the fact that this pain will be part of your life until death IMO is a victory. After this acceptance you can focus on other things. Then you can truly say "through Christ alone..."

hmm. good points, prolly. like anything else, there is more than one way to perceive pain. if i run a marathon, i don't expect to not be in some acute pain afterward. But chronic pain? might be a sign?

allstate1 · #7 10-26-2016, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

hmm. good points, prolly. like anything else, there is more than one way to perceive pain. if i run a marathon, i don't expect to not be in some acute pain afterward. But chronic pain? might be a sign?

A sign of what? Spiritual issues or physical?

shazeep · #8 10-26-2016, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by allstate1

A sign of what? Spiritual issues or physical?

well, could be either one, i guess, i would not want to define it to the exclusion of anything else. But chronic 'physical' might even be expected, if one did...i dunno, some repetitive motion at work, or whatever, on a regular basis? But chronic pain, when one is unaware of the cause? i would def be looking spiritual imo. Iow if you can ID the cause of any pain, "this is the fruit of that," well that seems different than 'i am in pain, and i don't know why.'

shazeep · #9 10-28-2016, 05:04 AM

you are two men in a bed.
one will be taken, and the other left.
and yours is getting up now, perhaps

FlamingZword · #10 11-06-2016, 10:12 PM

Physical pain is not good, if it was a good thing, then we should start praying that we would get sick and get horrible painful diseases.

If pain was a good thing, then Jesus did a bad thing in healing so many people of their diseases.

No I repeat, pain is not a good thing.

You do not need to be in physical excruciating pain in order to get spiritual gain; that is nonsense.
If we got spiritual gain thru physical pain, then heaven would be a torture chamber.

I repeat for the third time, no pain is not a good thing.