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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I challenge the readers to look up the attire of ancient Israel. There wasn't much difference between male and female articles of clothing. What few differences they had were in relation to length, softer fabrics for women, and women wore more colorful attire. Israelite women also wore traditional jewelry and veils.

Those who would argue that Israelite men wore trousers are often the same preachers who argue that Jesus never wore a beard.

Look it up, yourself. Don't believe either of us, verify it yourself.

Challenge the readers? Pilny did a magnificent job as well as Esaias of supplying ample amounts of proof concerning this subject. Yet, this isn't really about information, research, or even having Jesus Christ Himself come down and grab you by your head to tell you that only men wore pants. Because as we can plainly see, people like you don't want proof, we could open our veins and bleed to death proving our case. Yet, you (and those like you) would discount the rivers of blood. No, no my boy, you see you live in your own private Idaho, where everything is dictated by the world around you. Were we talking about beards? Did we ever mention one word about beards? Are you getting upset because you completely ran out of road?
No more kilts? No more eskimos wearing seal skins? Bro, there isn't a prohibition against beards or a command for beards. But we have clear scripture that if a woman dresses like a man she is an abomination and visa versa.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Challenge the readers? Pilny did a magnificent job as well as Esaias of supplying ample amounts of proof concerning this subject. Yet, this isn't really about information, research, or even having Jesus Christ Himself come down and grab you by your head to tell you that only men wore pants. Because as we can plainly see, people like you don't want proof, we could open our veins and bleed to death proving our case. Yet, you (and those like you) would discount the rivers of blood. No, no my boy, you see you live in your own private Idaho, where everything is dictated by the world around you. Were we talking about beards? Did we ever mention one word about beards? Are you getting upset because you completely ran out of road?
No more kilts? No more eskimos wearing seal skins? Bro, there isn't a prohibition against beards or a command for beards. But we have clear scripture that if a woman dresses like a man she is an abomination and visa versa.

Well said.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I challenge the readers to look up the attire of ancient Israel. There wasn't much difference between male and female articles of clothing. What few differences they had were in relation to length, softer fabrics for women, and women wore more colorful attire. Israelite women also wore traditional jewelry and veils.

Those who would argue that Israelite men wore trousers are often the same preachers who argue that Jesus never wore a beard.
This is just a stupid obfuscation. Aquila says "don't believe anyone" then "poisons the well" with this comment. In other words he does not want anyone to really believe anything different from him so he launches an ad hominem attack against those who would disagree with him.

Look it up, yourself. Don't believe either of us, verify it yourself.

Yes, hear the word of God.
Godly men wore pants. Godly women did not.

Originally Posted by Pliny

Daniel 3:21 and 3:27 are fascinating.
(Dan 3:21 KJV) Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and their hats, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.

According to JFB, Babylonian clothing consisted of long "pantaloons", observe:

JFB
Daniel 3:21
coats ... hosen ... hats — Herodotus [1.195] says that the Babylonian costume consisted of three parts: (1) wide, long pantaloons; (2) a woollen shirt; (3) an outer mantle with a girdle round it. So these are specified [Gesenius], “their pantaloons, inner tunics (hosen, or stockings, are not commonly worn in the East), and outer mantles.” Their being cast in so hurriedly, with all their garments on, enhanced the miracle in that not even the smell of fire passed on their clothes, though of delicate, inflammable material.

JFB insists these men were wearing pants.

Albert Barnes cites Gesenius in describing the "coats" as pants, observe:
[Barnes] The word rendered “coats,” is in the margin rendered “mantles.” The Chaldee word (סרבלין sarbâlı̂yn) means, according to Gesenius, the long and wide pantaloons which are worn by the Orientals, from סרבל sarbēl, to cover.

Thus, two commentators agree that they were wearing pants. Some translators even chose to use pants in their translations.

The translators of the ABP and ERV chose to use pants or pantaloons in their translations.
Dan 3:21 (ABP) Then those men were shackled with their pantaloons,G4552.1 G1473 and tiaras, and leggings, and their garments. And they were thrown into the midst of the [2furnace 3of fire 1burning],

(Dan 3:21 ERV) So Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were tied up and thrown into the hot furnace. They were wearing their robes, pants, cloth caps, and other clothes.


Then, there are the scholars that translated the Hebrew into Greek in the LXX.
Daniel 3:21 (LXX) Then those men were bound with their coats, and caps, and hose, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace

LXX+
Dan 3:21 τοτεG5119 ADV οιG3588 T-NPM ανδρεςG435 N-NPM εκεινοιG1565 D-NPM επεδηθησανV-API-3P συνG4862 PREP τοιςG3588 T-DPN σαραβαροιςN-DPN αυτωνG846 D-GPM καιG2532 CONJ τιαραιςN-DPF καιG2532 CONJ περικνημισιN-DPF καιG2532 CONJ ενδυμασινG1742 N-DPN αυτωνG846 D-GPM καιG2532 CONJ εβληθησανG906 V-API-3P ειςG1519 PREP μεσονG3319 A-ASM τηςG3588 T-GSF καμινουG2575 N-GSF τουG3588 T-GSN πυροςG4442 N-GSN τηςG3588 T-GSF καιομενηςG2545 V-PMPGS

H5622
סרבּל (Aramaic) (LXX – σαραβαροις)
sarbal
Dictionary of the Targumim, Talmud Bavli, Talmud Yerushalmi and Midrashic Literature, Marcus Jastrow, 1022a – Pers. Trousers.

Dan 3:27 And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats (σαραβαρα LXX) changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.

LXX+
Dan 3:27 [3:94] καιG2532 CONJ συναγονταιG4863 V-PMI-3P οιG3588 T-NPM σατραπαιN-NPM καιG2532 CONJ οιG3588 T-NPM στρατηγοιG4755 N-NPM καιG2532 CONJ οιG3588 T-NPM τοπαρχαιN-NPM καιG2532 CONJ οιG3588 T-NPM δυνασταιG1413 N-NPM τουG3588 T-GSM βασιλεωςG935 N-GSM καιG2532 CONJ εθεωρουνG2334 V-IAI-3P τουςG3588 T-APM ανδραςG435 N-APM οτιG3754 CONJ ουκG3364 ADV εκυριευσενG2961 V-AAI-3S τοG3588 T-NSN πυρG4442 N-NSN τουG3588 T-GSN σωματοςG4983 N-GSN αυτωνG846 D-GPM καιG2532 CONJ ηG3588 T-NSF θριξG2359 N-NSF τηςG3588 T-GSF κεφαληςG2776 N-GSF αυτωνG846 D-GPM ουκG3364 ADV εφλογισθηG5394 V-API-3S καιG2532 CONJ ταG3588 T-NPN σαραβαραN-NPN αυτωνG846 D-GPM ουκG3364 ADV ηλλοιωθηV-API-3S καιG2532 CONJ οσμηG3744 N-NSF πυροςG4442 N-GSN ουκG3364 ADV ηνG1510 V-IAI-3S ενG1722 PREP αυτοιςG846 D-DPM

Ancient Greek to English Dictionary
σαραβαρα
A loose trousers worn by Scythians, Antiph.201; also = Aramaic sarbālîn, LXX, Thd.Da.3.27 (cf. 21). (Prob. Persian shalvâr or shulvâr (braccae).)


There can be no doubt that a multiplicity of scholars agree, the three Hebrew boys thrown into the fiery furnace were indeed wearing pants.

Now, once again, I ask for someone to demonstrate where a single godly woman wore pants.
The silence has been deafening...

No matter how many gymnastics Aquila takes the bottom line is the same:
Godly men wore pants. Godly women did not.

[Aquila]

The prohibition in Deuteronomy is debated among scholars. Some have pointed out that the language indicates that women shouldn't dawn the attire of a warrior nor men the soft and long lady like attire and jewellery of women. Some argue that this also would forbid ancient Canaanite practices that included cult cross dressing. Most likely, all of these views have some truth to them.

Pants are nowhere in view seeing that neither male or female wore trousers in ancient Israel. Pants are a multicultural innovation from nations that typically had colder winter seasons. In those cultures, they were often worn by both men and women.

Study:

Persia
China
Mongolia
Cythian Russia
Scandinavian Nations
Celts
Inuit
Eskimos

Pants inundated these cultures and were worn by both men and women. So, from those nations that created pants and wore them, they were not strictly for males.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The prohibition in Deuteronomy is debated among scholars. Some have pointed out that the language indicates that women shouldn't dawn the attire of a warrior nor men the soft and long lady like attire and jewellery of women. Some argue that this also would forbid ancient Canaanite practices. That included cult cross dressing. Most likely, all of these views have some truth to them.

Canaanite cult practices were bad, but Babylonian were OK? So much for that logic. Also again we have clear scripture that men wore bifurcated garments but no women wearing them. Also most scholars (whose artist's renditions you supplied for us) really don't know how these people dressed. Following down long and loose is found in 1 Timothy 2:9-10 the Greek καταστολῇ. Which was a gown, and men NEVER wore them? Yet, καταστολῇ isn't a robe? Why is that Aquila? Tell me why?

Originally Posted by Aquila

Pants are nowhere in view seeing that neither male or female wore trousers in ancient Israel.

They did in Daniel, and Jesus in Revelation 19:16.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Pants are a multicultural innovation from nations that typically had colder winter seasons.

Like Israel.

Originally Posted by Aquila

In those cultures, they were often worn by both men and women.

One verse for a woman wearing trousers, or breeches.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The prohibition in Deuteronomy is debated among scholars. Some have pointed out that the language indicates that women shouldn't dawn the attire of a warrior nor men the soft and long lady like attire and jewellery of women. Some argue that this also would forbid ancient Canaanite practices that included cult cross dressing. Most likely, all of these views have some truth to them.

Pants are nowhere in view seeing that neither male or female wore trousers in ancient Israel. Pants are a multicultural innovation from nations that typically had colder winter seasons. In those cultures, they were often worn by both men and women.

Study:

Persia
China
Mongolia
Cythian Russia
Scandinavian Nations
Celts
Inuit
Eskimos

Pants inundated these cultures and were worn by both men and women. So, from those nations that created pants and wore them, they were not strictly for males.

You and the eskimos? Where in God's name do we have eskimos in covenant with God of the Old Testament? Was any of the law binding on Celts, or Russians during the Bronze Age? Where were the Eskimos during the Bronze Age? Were they even in the Americas? Aquila do you even have the slightest idea what on earth we are talking about in this thread? Do you understand the Bible has a prohibition against crossdressing for the Nation of Israel, and those who would be engrafted into them? Just like a prohibition against human sacrifice! Would you also like to list all the groups who sacrificed their newborn children? Aquila, men wore pants, women didn't. Easy to understand because the Bible is easy to understand.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You and the eskimos? Where in God's name do we have eskimos in covenant with God of the Old Testament? Was any of the law binding on Celts, or Russians during the Bronze Age? Where were the Eskimos during the Bronze Age? Were they even in the Americas? Aquila do you even have the slightest idea what on earth we are talking about in this thread? Do you understand the Bible has a prohibition against crossdressing for the Nation of Israel, and those who would be engrafted into them? Just like a prohibition against human sacrifice! Would you also like to list all the groups who sacrificed their newborn children? Aquila, men wore pants, women didn't. Easy to understand because the Bible is easy to understand.

Blah, blah, blah. The very cultures that created pants didn't create them strictly for men. They were always worn by both men and women in those cultures.

The rabbinical foolishness about pants and women is just Jewish legalism that arose as the use of pants began among Jews in the Middle Ages.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Blah, blah, blah. The very cultures that created pants didn't create them strictly for men. They were always worn by both men and women in those cultures.

Other cultures...blah, blah, blah??? Bro, you brought up eskimos, and Chinese rice patties. Bro, I'm stayed with the language of the Bible, and what the scripture is trying to convey.

Originally Posted by Aquila

The rabbinical foolishness about pants and women is just Jewish legalism that arose as the use of pants began among Jews in the Middle Ages.

Get out of town! Bro, you brought up Rambam, not me. Now you are totally sinking. No legalism involved, I mean it says abomination, you can't even adequately prove your case, that's not my fault.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Pants are nowhere in view seeing that neither male or female wore trousers in ancient Israel.

This is a patently FALSE statement. Were the Levites part of ancient Israel? The answer is yes.
Were the three Hebrew young men part of ancient Israel? The answer is once again yes.

Since Aquila has been shown this MULTIPLE times, it causes a person to pause and ask why continue to post nonsense that has been proven false on multiple occasions.
Did he not read the posts? This seems unlikely since he has responded to them.
So why continue to spread false information? Why spread lies?

[Aquila]

There are two kinds of people in this world. Those with beards...and women. How can you worship Jesus looking like a smooth faced gay Roman? Lol