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[Esaias]

What clothes are "typical" of the male gender?

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-...nder-dysphoria

"In children, gender dysphoria diagnosis involves at least six of the following and an associated significant distress or impairment in function, lasting at least six months.

A strong desire to be of the other gender or an insistence that one is the other gender
A strong preference for wearing clothes typical of the opposite gender"

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

What clothes are "typical" of the male gender?

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-...nder-dysphoria

"In children, gender dysphoria diagnosis involves at least six of the following and an associated significant distress or impairment in function, lasting at least six months.

A strong desire to be of the other gender or an insistence that one is the other gender
A strong preference for wearing clothes typical of the opposite gender"

Would have been much of a problem in ancient Israel. Men and women essentially dressed the same.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Would have been much of a problem in ancient Israel. Men and women essentially dressed the same.

I notice you do the same thing in the political section of this forum. You are offered valid evidence but just continue in your leftist agenda. Like I told you folks, this has nothing to do with Bible, clothing, or Deuteronomy 22:5. It is a change agent's agenda. It has already been proven that attire was different. Deuteronomy 22:5 plainly states that. Stick to politics, I notice you like shaking the cage.

[Esaias]

Pretty much self-explanatory for fans of the "classic Greek look":

[Esaias]

http://asorblog.org/2014/12/15/what-...-priests-wear/

"Helpfully, in the third — second century BCE the Hebrew Bible was translated into Greek, the Septuagint (LXX), and analogous Greek words were found.The ketōnet is defined as a chitōn (Gk.), which for a man would normally be a short tunic. The ‘avnēt is a zōnē (Gk.), which is anything you tie around the body like a girdle, sash or belt. The linen breeches/pants are periskelēlina; periskelē generally refers to Persian breeches, and in Greek a kidaris is a type of flat Persian turban (see Herodotus, Hist. 8:120).

Thus, the Septuagint’s Greek words link priestly dress with Persian attire. Persians – and in due course the Parthians of northeast Iran – were known to wear pants and waist-tied tunics, with capes clasped with a brooch, along with floppy ‘Phrygian’ caps, as can be seen in the Arch of Septimius Severus in Rome.

So what the Septuagint indicates is that priestly dress was quite Persian/Parthian-looking. Importantly, Josephus – himself a priest – described in detail what he knew priests to wear in his own day. In a passage that is not always well-translated (Antiquities 3:151–58) he tells of how the priest’s feet are put through a linen girdle, diazōma, ‘as into pants/breeches (anaxurides)’. The lower parts are bound to the bottom of the thighs, around the knees. Herodotus also uses the word anaxurides to refer to the trousers of Persians or Parthians (Hist. 5:49; 7:61)."

(Very similar to this roman relief depicting a Parthian (Persian) from the 3rd century AD

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

http://asorblog.org/2014/12/15/what-...-priests-wear/

"Helpfully, in the third — second century BCE the Hebrew Bible was translated into Greek, the Septuagint (LXX), and analogous Greek words were found.The ketōnet is defined as a chitōn (Gk.), which for a man would normally be a short tunic. The ‘avnēt is a zōnē (Gk.), which is anything you tie around the body like a girdle, sash or belt. The linen breeches/pants are periskelēlina; periskelē generally refers to Persian breeches, and in Greek a kidaris is a type of flat Persian turban (see Herodotus, Hist. 8:120).

Thus, the Septuagint’s Greek words link priestly dress with Persian attire. Persians – and in due course the Parthians of northeast Iran – were known to wear pants and waist-tied tunics, with capes clasped with a brooch, along with floppy ‘Phrygian’ caps, as can be seen in the Arch of Septimius Severus in Rome.

So what the Septuagint indicates is that priestly dress was quite Persian/Parthian-looking. Importantly, Josephus – himself a priest – described in detail what he knew priests to wear in his own day. In a passage that is not always well-translated (Antiquities 3:151–58) he tells of how the priest’s feet are put through a linen girdle, diazōma, ‘as into pants/breeches (anaxurides)’. The lower parts are bound to the bottom of the thighs, around the knees. Herodotus also uses the word anaxurides to refer to the trousers of Persians or Parthians (Hist. 5:49; 7:61)."

(Very similar to this roman relief depicting a Parthian (Persian) from the 3rd century AD

Brother this is good.

Thank you in Jesus name

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Brother this is good.

Thank you in Jesus name

Hold on...

I already explained that Babylonians and Persians wore pants. You said it was irrelevant. In fact, what you're seeing in this relief is an example of the type of trousers that were issued to the three Hebrews (Babylon's pants predating Persia's). Also, in the past, I've referenced Josephus several times, and you basically explained that his writings can't be trusted.

So... why you acting like this relief showing a Parthian wearing pants (proving my earlier statements) and a reference from Josephus has saved your day? lol

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Hold on...

I already explained that Babylonians and Persians wore pants. You said it was irrelevant. In fact, what you're seeing in this relief is an example of the type of trousers that were issued to the three Hebrews (Babylon's pants predating Persia's). Also, in the past, I've referenced Josephus several times, and you basically explained that his writings can't be trusted.

So... why you acting like this relief showing a Parthian wearing pants (proving my earlier statements) and a reference from Josephus has saved your day? lol

Because some people refuse to read Duet. 22:5 in the time and setting of the time period, and force it into American and European society 5000 years later.

When God instructed Moses to make breeches for the priest, during and only during the ministration of the tabernacle. It was to cover their nakedness. Meaning that any other time men wore robes without breeches, just as a women. So if one wants to get technical dresses were men's and women's apparel long before pants. So all of these pictures of men in a skirt are moot.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Because some people refuse to read Duet. 22:5 in the time and setting of the time period, and force it into American and European society 5000 years later.

When God instructed Moses to make breeches for the priest, during and only during the ministration of the tabernacle. It was to cover their nakedness. Meaning that any other time men wore robes without breeches, just as a women. So if one wants to get technical dresses were men's and women's apparel long before pants. So all of these pictures of men in a skirt are moot.

I wish you would read the thread. These points were already addressed. But I'll repeat myself for you. Because I love you.

I already over and over place the verse in its Bronze Age setting. Placing it in some modern age would just confuse the student. They are confused because of their modern culture being so opposite of God's culture. The priest only having religious pants specifically to hide their private parts. Would logically lead the student to believe that God doesn't have a problem with any others in the tribe allowing it to all hang out. Meaning ladders, Zacchaus climbing trees with Jesus looking up at him. Understand?

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Because some people refuse to read Duet. 22:5 in the time and setting of the time period, and force it into American and European society 5000 years later.

When God instructed Moses to make breeches for the priest, during and only during the ministration of the tabernacle. It was to cover their nakedness. Meaning that any other time men wore robes without breeches, just as a women. So if one wants to get technical dresses were men's and women's apparel long before pants. So all of these pictures of men in a skirt are moot.

Please demonstrate where God restricted the use of breeches outside of the tabernacle. After all, you have used the restrictive phrase "only during the ministration of the tabernacle". The passage is a positive commandment to wear them during ministration but nowhere is there the negative commandment to wear them only when ministering. Your are just simply wrong. BTW I doubt the Hebrew young men knew about America. Just saying.