More on Skirts

[Amanah]

I think this thread might be an abomination and I'm sorry for my part in it.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I think this thread might be an abomination and I'm sorry for my part in it.

Dearest sister, your's is the post of the night.

But this is the shark tank. Where two opposites collide like cars smashing together.

It's an ugly horrific sight, but everyone drives slow to see.

[Esaias]

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by n david

I find it odd that the outspoken authority on holiness standards, DK Bernard, has responded to the question of UPCI women in India wearing pants as "it's their custom," while yet condemning American women for the same. Either it's okay or it's not. There cannot be exceptions for certain countries because of custom, especially when in the US it's been the custom since the mid-1900s.

Was unaware of this.

[Jason B]

I'm guessing all you UCs really hate T-shirts.

Even got one that says "unisex size M".

Oh, the perversion. What's this world coming to? Men and women both running around in the same garments!

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Jason B

I'm guessing all you UCs really hate T-shirts.

Even got one that says "unisex size M".

Oh, the perversion. What's this world coming to? Men and women both running around in the same garments!

Ohhh what's the world coming to?

Prayer kicked of school.
People trying to remove any reference to God in any way or form from the public eye.
"Christians" rejecting the word of God in favor of an anything goes mentality.

[Esaias]

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

This horse is throughly and sufficiently dead.

[Aquila]

I find it interesting that as far as modesty goes, both sides essentially agree. Dresses and skirts on women are more modest than most pants on a woman.

I believe that Christian women should be encouraged to embrace Christian modesty and to grow into Christian modesty as part of their personal devotion to the Lord. I also believe (and have experienced) a stronger presence of the Spirit in churches wherein modesty and personal holiness are valued and devotionally aspired to. Turning our focus from the law to modesty also allows us to give individual women time to search their own hearts and seek deeper experiences in modesty as God leads them personally. And for those women who chose to continue wearing pants, approaching modesty as a personal devotion also provides a context wherein we can be patient and understanding. It gives us a context n which we can encourage women who do wear pants to wear longer shirts or blouses, to not wear their pants too tight, and to generally seek a level of modesty even though they continue to wear pants. Focusing on Christian modesty as it relates to dress provides a context of encouragement and inspiration, patience and understanding, love and grace.

I have also witnessed the emotional and spiritual abuse that can be born of legalistically approaching the issue from the perspective of the Law. Deuteronomy 22:5 speaks of an abomination. If this is applied to women's pants, then women wearing pants are abominations regardless of era or culture. God never indicated that we should give someone time to become convicted about an abomination. God never said that someone can practice an abomination and still claim to be saved. God never indicated that someone can actively engage in an abomination and still be welcomed into fellowship. The law "demands" immediate conformity.

As a result, there are churches who have used Deuteronomy 22:5 as a "clobber passage" to beat up on women. It is often used to try to "force" women to dress to a certain standard through the fear of being condemned by God. It has been used to disfellowship women who simply have yet to understand or see the deeper reality of Christian modesty. Many young girls were "forced" into wearing dresses or skirts and told that they'd go to Hell if they ever put on a pair of pants. And it isn't uncommon for many of those women to abandon Christian modesty and actually resist the notion of ever wearing dresses and skirts again.

Ultimately both sides of the debate wish to see women aspiring to Christian modesty and holiness. Both sides essentially feel that for women, Christian modesty is best reflected in the wearing of dresses and skirts. However, only one side is appealing to the Law and not Grace. Only one side is appealing to the Letter and not the Spirit.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Aquila

However, only one side is appealing to the Law and not Grace. Only one side is appealing to the Letter and not the Spirit.

More Bolshevik bologna. You cannot separate the Word of God from the Spirit of God. Once again:
(2Pe 1:21 KJV) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

The Word of God IS the same as the Spirit of God; therefore, they can NEVER contradict one another. Jesus said:
(Joh 4:24 KJV) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Whenever you try to separate the Bible from the Spirit you will fall into error.
(Pro 21:2 KJV) Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.
(Pro 14:12 KJV) There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Jeremiah said, under the anointing of the Holy Ghost:
(Jer 31:31 KJV) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
(Jer 31:32 KJV) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
(Jer 31:33 KJV) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Jesus said:
(Mat 5:17 KJV) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Paul said:
(1Co 10:11 KJV) Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Aquila would rather ignore the Word than embrace it. By doing this he is rejecting the Holy Ghost and the what God desires for each of us - to write His Law on our hearts. Thus, he rejects the Spirit in favor of sloppy agape and touchy feely religion that is powerless. Peter spoke about those who "promise liberty" while rejecting God's Word":
(2Pe 2:17 KJV) These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
(2Pe 2:18 KJV) For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
(2Pe 2:19 KJV) While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
(2Pe 2:20 KJV) For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
(2Pe 2:21 KJV) For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
(2Pe 2:22 KJV) But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.