Apostoic worship?? - Page 13

JoeBandy · #**121** 07-31-2017, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Praying and singing in other tongues:

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. (Acts 2:4)
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. (1Corinthians 14:2)
He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. (1Co 14:4)

(notice: speaking in tongues is speaking to God (prayer) “in the Spirit”, and edifies oneself)

For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified. (1Corinthians 14:14-17)

(praying in tongues is equivalent to “my spirit prays”. Prayer should be both with the spirit, as well as with the understanding. Do both! Notice, there is also singing in tongues. And speaking in tongues is also 'blessing with the spirit” whereby one “gives thanks well”. BUT because praying or speaking in tongues is not understood by others, it is not meant to be heard by and paid attention to by others.)

But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. (Jude vs20-21)

Praying the Psalms:

The prayers of David the son of Jesse are ended. (Psalm 72:20)
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? (Matthew 27:46)
My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? (Psalm 22:1)

(The Psalms are prayers, and Jesus was repeating the words of Psalm 22:1)

And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is: Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things? The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ. (Acts 4:24-26)
Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed... (Psalm 2:1-2)

(The church prayed the words of Psalm 2:1-2 in corporate prayer)

Singing:

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. (Colossians 3:16)
Serve the LORD with gladness: come before his presence with singing. (Psalm 100:2)

Kiss of Peace:

Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you. (Romans 16:16)
Salute every saint in Christ Jesus. The brethren which are with me greet you. (Philippians 4:21)
Greet one another with an holy kiss. (2Corinthians 13:12)

salute - aspazomai
as-pad'-zom-ahee
to enfold in the arms, that is, (by implication) to salute, (figuratively) to welcome: - embrace, greet, salute, take leave.)

Reading and teaching the Word:

And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people and when he opened it, all the people stood up: And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with their faces to the ground. Also Jeshua, and Bani, and Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodijah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan, Pelaiah, and the Levites, caused the people to understand the law: and the people stood in their place. So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading. (Nehemiah 8:5-8)

(This is why we stand for the reading of the Word.)

And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. (Luke 4:16)
And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on. (Acts 13:15)
Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. (1Timothy 4:13)

The Lord's Supper:

And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. (Luke 22:19-20)
And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom. (Matthew 26:26-29)
The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread. (1Corinthians 10:16-17)

Footwashing:

Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God; He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself. After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded. (John 13:3-5)
If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet. For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you. (John 13:14-15)

All good stuff thanks

JoeBandy · #**122** 07-31-2017, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

Can you walk and chew gum at the same time?

I don't chew gum

Amanah · #**123** 07-31-2017, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeBandy

I don't chew gum

that's good, nothing worse then used gum stuck under the pews

aegsm76 · #**124** 07-31-2017, 01:14 PM

JB - is it ok to use musical instruments in church?
I mean nowhere in the NT are they used.
Also, I am now wondering about vehicles to get to church.
I mean the early church walked everywhere they went...

Amanah · #**125** 07-31-2017, 01:27 PM

Let's have church, Bro Esaias can teach, Bro nDavid can lead worship, and then Bro Benincasa can tell funny stories and preach.

n david · #**126** 07-31-2017, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by aegsm76

JB - is it ok to use musical instruments in church?
I mean nowhere in the NT are they used.
Also, I am now wondering about vehicles to get to church.
I mean the early church walked everywhere they went...

Let's not mention the altar call or offering. Heaven forbid a church has a choir or soloist. Electricity wasn't invented, so obviously Sure cordless mics are of the debbil. Paul didn't wear an earbud to hear himself either!

Lord, have mercy!

JoeBandy · #**127** 07-31-2017, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

Let's not mention the altar call or offering. Heaven forbid a church has a choir or soloist. Electricity wasn't invented, so obviously Sure cordless mics are of the debbil. Paul didn't wear an earbud to hear himself either!

Lord, have mercy!

well..... just when this thread had a chance to become intellectual

Esaias · #**128** 07-31-2017, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by aegsm76

JB - is it ok to use musical instruments in church?
I mean nowhere in the NT are they used.
Also, I am now wondering about vehicles to get to church.
I mean the early church walked everywhere they went...

The mode of travel to a meeting is incidental and not a direct part of "worship" and therefore is not covered by the Scripture's regulation of worship.

Same with using electrical lights or sound amplification systems.

The use of a "worship team", choir, soloist, worship "director", and similar things, however, ARE part of a congregation's act of worship, and therefore subject to the Scripture's regulation of worship.

Esaias · #**129** 07-31-2017, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

The mode of travel to a meeting is incidental and not a direct part of "worship" and therefore is not covered by the Scripture's regulation of worship.

Same with using electrical lights or sound amplification systems.

The use of a "worship team", choir, soloist, worship "director", and similar things, however, ARE part of a congregation's act of worship, and therefore subject to the Scripture's regulation of worship.

If, however, the lights are incorporated as part of the act of worship (as in putting on a lazer light show, or using the lights to "set the mood", etc) then that would fall under the Scripture's regulation of worship.

And so on for everything.

JoeBandy · #**130** 07-31-2017, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

If, however, the lights are incorporated as part of the act of worship (as in putting on a lazer light show, or using the lights to "set the mood", etc) then that would fall under the Scripture's regulation of worship.

And so on for everything.

Most folks fail to realize that there is Scriptural regulations on worship. I am hoping to learn more on this subject. I think the "do what you feel" is unscriptural per Col 3:23.