Help! Tormented dreams

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Not really. I remember hearing that in Judaism, some Jew's believe that a demon spirit or ghost can often possess people and that sometimes these spirits are cast out and imprisoned in objects, an animal, or a personal item to keep them under control. It's just Jewish lore, but It reminded me of how Jesus cast the legion of devils out of a man and put them into a heard of swine.

I don't know much about it beyond that.

Do you believe that Jesus removed demons and placed them into something else?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Not really. I remember hearing that in Judaism, some Jew's believe that a demon spirit or ghost can often possess people and that sometimes these spirits are cast out and imprisoned in objects, an animal, or a personal item to keep them under control. It's just Jewish lore, but It reminded me of how Jesus cast the legion of devils out of a man and put them into a heard of swine.

I don't know much about it beyond that.

Now, with the doll, how did dibbūq come up in the story?

[votivesoul]

All of this is highly interesting to me, because, in the Psychiatry thread I locked, you were adamant that if years of prayer and fasting and whatever doesn't heal a person's mind, that if "healing tarries", that a person who is mentally ill should carefully consider seeing a psychologist and perhaps, if prudent begin taking medications.

But here, in this thread, when a member shares some personal information about her subconscious mental state, that is causing her lots of problems and pain, you say there might be, could be, do you feel it in your gut, a demon involved.

So which is it?

You're playing both sides against the middle. The mentally ill person might not get healed, so go see a counselor, you say. A sister is having nasty dreams and other psychological issues which are common symptoms of mental illness and maybe it's a demon.

Jesus might not heal the mentally ill, you say, so go see counselor, but Jesus won't tell a sister it's parasomnia, He'd cast out the devil, and not tell her to go have a sleep study.

Sure, you can keep flipping this coin if you want to, but it's never going to land on its edge.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

All of this is highly interesting to me, because, in the Psychiatry thread I locked, you were adamant that if years of prayer and fasting and whatever doesn't heal a person's mind, that if "healing tarries", that a person who is mentally ill should carefully consider seeing a psychologist and perhaps, if prudent begin taking medications.

But here, in this thread, when a member shares some personal information about her subconscious mental state, that is causing her lots of problems and pain, you say there might be, could be, do you feel it in your gut, a demon involved.

So which is it?

You're playing both sides against the middle. The mentally ill person might not get healed, so go see a counselor, you say. A sister is having nasty dreams and other psychological issues which are common symptoms of mental illness and maybe it's a demon.

Jesus might not heal the mentally ill, you say, so go see counselor, but Jesus won't tell a sister it's parasomnia, He'd cast out the devil, and not tell her to go have a sleep study.

Sure, you can keep flipping this coin if you want to, but it's never going to land on its edge.

I felt in the Holy Ghost to go out on a limb. If I didn't feel that impression of the Spirit, I wouldn't have done so. I'd have suggested counseling.

You see, you're in the assumption of natural reasoning. The Holy Ghost can change a direction based on one's circumstance. You're approaching things from constant human logic, I'm not.

But, I do find it interesting. I took the position that counseling might be necessary in one thread, and was raked over the coals. I followed the Spirit here, and I'm raked over the coals because I didn't advocate that she has parasomnia. Y'all need to make up your minds. I'll just follow the Spirit.

[votivesoul]

As far as my initial post is concerned...

Look, I've had some horrible nightmare as a saint. I've been spiritually attacked in my dreams.

The very night I exposed what's his name and his wolf in sheep's clothing endeavor here at AFF, I had a pretty ugly dream with a demon in it as a result.

I know these dreams are real and can plague a person's mind, if they let it.

Or, they can realize that dreams are chaff compared to the wheat, and most of them are Salvador Dali-esque recycled memories and thoughts from the subconscious mind which don't mean a thing, no matter how spiritual they are.

I've also had prophetic dreams that have come true after the fact, to the very last detail, dreams that would shock and disgust and bother most people, but were from God, so wickedness in the church could be exposed. God even gave me a dream in which the very room number of the hotel a sister was secretly going to once a month to have an affair with her husband's brother, was right there before my very eyes. And it all went down-hill from there.

But when I said I had a dream about her, she realized her covering was cast off, and she confessed to it all.

So I know somethings about dreams, both from God and from the devil. And I am telling Modest Mama, and you, Aquila, and whoever else is reading this, that focusing in on the demonic ones is THE WRONG APPROACH.

Hence why I indicated they are mostly a distraction to get people's eyes off the Lord and His calling for their life. Because that's what they actually are. I was trying to show Modest Mama that fretting over them and trying to interpret them and make them something they are not, is serving the devil's design. Because now, she's freaked out, and has been for awhile, and all you seem to want to do in this thread is make her focus even more on the possibility of there being an evil spirit holed up in a fortress inside her mind, that has power over her body while she sleeps.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

As far as my initial post is concerned...

Look, I've had some horrible nightmare as a saint. I've been spiritually attacked in my dreams.

The very night I exposed what's his name and his wolf in sheep's clothing endeavor here at AFF, I had a pretty ugly dream with a demon in it as a result.

I know these dreams are real and can plague a person's mind, if they let it.

Or, they can realize that dreams are chaff compared to the wheat, and most of them are Salvador Dali-esque recycled memories and thoughts from the subconscious mind which don't mean a thing, no matter how spiritual they are.

I've also had prophetic dreams that have come true after the fact, to the very last detail, dreams that would shock and disgust and bother most people, but were from God, so wickedness in the church could be exposed. God even gave me a dream in which the very room number of the hotel a sister was secretly going to once a month to have an affair with her husband's brother, was right there before my very eyes. And it all went down-hill from there.

But when I said I had a dream about her, she realized her covering was cast off, and she confessed to it all.

So I know somethings about dreams, both from God and from the devil. And I am telling Modest Mama, and you, Aquila, and whoever else is reading this, that focusing in on the demonic ones is THE WRONG APPROACH.

Hence why I indicated they are mostly a distraction to get people's eyes off the Lord and His calling for their life. Because that's what they actually are. I was trying to show Modest Mama that fretting over them and trying to interpret them and make them something they are not, is serving the devil's design. Because now, she's freaked out, and has been for awhile, and all you seem to want to do in this thread is make her focus even more on the possibility of there being an evil spirit holed up in a fortress inside her mind, that has power over her body while she sleeps.

Brother, she confirmed to me in PM several things no one knew because they weren't on the thread. She didn't have to PM me. She could have simply said that she didn't think it was a spiritual attack, and I'd stand corrected. Only after you guys stayed in the carnal mind to attack the notion of her even possibly being under a spiritual attack did she voice that she was now confused. God isn't the author of confusion.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Brother, she confirmed to me in PM several things no one knew because they weren't on the thread. She didn't have to PM me. She could have simply said that she didn't think it was a spiritual attack, and I'd stand corrected. Only after you guys stayed in the canal mind to attack the notion of her even possibly being under a spiritual attack did she voice that she was now confused. God isn't the author of confusion.

Chris, are Christians attacked in their sleep by demons?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Chris, are Christians attacked in their sleep by demons?

Didn't a demon appear to Eliphaz in a dream, provoking him to accuse Job of sin?

Job 4:13-16 English Standard Version (ESV)
13 Amid thoughts from visions of the night,
when deep sleep falls on men,
14 dread came upon me, and trembling,
which made all my bones shake.
15 A spirit glided past my face;
the hair of my flesh stood up.
16 It stood still,
but I could not discern its appearance.
A form was before my eyes;
there was silence, then I heard a voice:

But, I don't think demon spirits can freely attack Christians in their dreams, unless they have given that spirit some form of entrance into their lives. It could be unconfessed sin, having anything involving the occult in their homes, having snything involving hallucinogenic drugs in the home, or in some cases as part of a generational curse.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Didn't a demon appear to Eliphaz in a dream, provoking him to accuse Job of sin?

Job 4:13-16 English Standard Version (ESV)
13 Amid thoughts from visions of the night,
when deep sleep falls on men,
14 dread came upon me, and trembling,
which made all my bones shake.
15 A spirit glided past my face;
the hair of my flesh stood up.
16 It stood still,
but I could not discern its appearance.
A form was before my eyes;
there was silence, then I heard a voice:

This was answered in Job 2:3.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

But, I don't think demon spirits can freely attack Christians in their dreams, unless they have given that spirit some form of entrance into their lives. It could be unconfessed sin, having anything involving the occult in their homes, having snything involving hallucinogenic drugs in the home, or in some cases as part of a generational curse.

Bro, I sent your PM back to you.

Could you explain?