Help! Tormented dreams - Page 6

votivesoul · #1 08-03-2017, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Interesting. I wasn't aware of what "low vibrational trauma" was either. I didn't compile the list. It was copied and given to me, I had saved it in Word.

You said your deliverance ministry leader Matt Burris gave this to you. Did you never read the list? Did you never investigate the claims? Did you not pray over each one to see whether or not the Holy Spirit would confirm these items as legitimate symptoms of demonization?

Or did you take it all on Matt Burris' authority that these things are all of them legit, without questioning or looking into things further?

From page 4, post #34,

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The symptoms of demonic oppression can be rather extensive. Matt Burris, our team leader, had these printed on a sheet of paper as part of a small packet he'd give people who inquired about deliverance...

Aquila · #2 08-04-2017, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by votivesoul

You said your deliverance ministry leader Matt Burris gave this to you. Did you never read the list? Did you never investigate the claims? Did you not pray over each one to see whether or not the Holy Spirit would confirm these items as legitimate symptoms of demonization?

Or did you take it all on Matt Burris' authority that these things are all of them legit, without questioning or looking into things further?

From page 4, post #34,

There is third possibility, which is the truth. As I stated I was only involved in deliverance ministry for over a year, almost two years. When I left I asked for a list of indicators of oppression. I also asked for a copy of the questionnaire that is often given. What he emailed me was this list and he wished me well and encouraged me to sick with Christ. His email didn't include the questionnaire, but I thought it was no big deal because I wasn't involved any more. So I briefly looked it over and then saved this list to Word and I've had it on a disc since then. Until now, I've assumed it was the list I remember used in conjunction with the questionnaire. Maybe it's not.

So as you can see, the truth is far less salacious than the false dichotomy you've presented.

votivesoul · #3 08-02-2017, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

The symptoms of demonic oppression can be rather extensive. Matt Burris, our team leader, had these printed on a sheet of paper as part of a small packet he'd give people who inquired about deliverance:

Have you had any of the following experiences?

1. Noticing a presence as in someone watching you.
2. A heaviness or fearfulness in a certain room of your home.
3. Sensing a cold spot in a room or cold feeling on part or all of your physical body.
4. Feeling someone touch you when you are all alone or no one nearby.
5. A burning sensation at the upper back just below the nape of your neck, potentially accompanied by the feeling of tingling.
6. Sensing frightening Shadows from the corner of your eyes.
7. Behavior and personality changes.
8. A loss of self-esteem and/or self-confidence.
9. Recurrent or frequent nightmares, such as unwanted sexual experiences, being raped, tormented, or tortured.
10. Major changes in clarity of thinking or analytical ability.
11. Memory lapses.
12. A drained feeling or fatigue without cause, as in a drain of vitality or physical strength.
13. Hearing harassing voices inside your mind, as in negative words, demoralizing and degrading you, and suggesting you do things you do not wish to do.
14. Illnesses that come on suddenly that a doctor cannot diagnose.
15. Sudden illnesses that cannot be explained, as in flu-like symptoms, headache, low-vibrational trauma inside your body.
16. Hallucinations.
17. Inability to sleep well without having to take sleep aids.
18. Waking up in the middle of the night sensing someone in the room.
19. Sleep-walking, conversations, or other actions during sleep that you cannot remember upon waking.
20. Difficulty coping with the routine of everyday life.
21. Sudden explicable inability to cope with responsibilities, such as hardship at work doing what used to be easy.
22. Depression without understanding why or knowing an apparent cause, and becoming chronic.
23. Sudden bouts of sorrow, sadness, fear, or dread without explanation.
24. Feeling trapped or helpless for no apparent reason.
25. Intrusive negative thoughts that insight feelings of anger, rage, or the desire to inflict physical violence upon yourself or others.
26. Compulsive immoral behaviors that fill you with feelings of shame, guilty, and condemnation.
27. Feeling isolated, and even wanting to be isolated.
28. Anxiety or unexplainable disinterest relating to attending religious worship or activities.
29. Feelings of fear or dread when preparing to read your Bible.
30. Sudden dislike for religious music.

Any one of these things, or a combination of these things, could indicate that one is under demonic oppression.

This Matt Burris?

http://globallegacy.com/events/power...ent-conference

Aquila · #4 08-03-2017, 08:21 AM

You guys are really hard on a guy. Let me share a little of my understanding before y'all judge me too harshly. You might find that whatever you're assuming about me and my understanding is wrong. You might discover that while I might understand some unfamiliar concepts, to those in the UPCI or other organizations, the concepts are indeed biblical. You might discover that you've known and understood these things for a long time, but you've never actually put definitive words to it.

Once one identifies (or discerns through the Holy Ghost) that they are dealing with an unclean spirit it doesn't take long to cast it out. It can be cast out in under a minute actually. If it isn't... the problem is lack of faith. When confronted with such a circumstance the spirit can only be uprooted by prayer and fasting. In deliverance ministries, based on my experience, what can take the most time is confirming if there is indeed an evil spirit present. If the Holy Ghost reveals it through the gift of discernment, one can know instantly. But if the gift of discernment is silent, deliverance ministers don't just walk in shooting in every direction hoping to hit something. They want to confirm that a spirit is actually there, they pray and wait for the spirit to manifest. Jesus never had this problem. And if one's full of the Spirit, this isn't much of a problem at all. If Jesus showed up, evil spirits would just cry out in fear and make themselves known. When awaiting confirmation of the presence of an evil spirit, the spirit will typically begin revealing its presence by virtue of it being tormented or unsettled by the presence of Christ in you.

And so that leads me to a rather simple question. Can anyone share with me specifically why prayer and fasting are necessary? What dynamics are at play?

And while many might not realize it, the following is very important for the conceptualization of what we're dealing with. This text is quite interesting if we read it slowly and contemplate it:

Luke 6:17-20 (KJV)
17 And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people out of all Judaea and Jerusalem, and from the sea coast of Tyre and Sidon, which came to hear him, and to be healed of their diseases;
18 And they that were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed.
19 And the whole multitude sought to touch him: for there went virtue out of him, and healed them all.
20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.

We see this "virtue" in Mark's Gospel:

Mark 5:27-30
27 When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment.
28 For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole.
29 And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague.
30 And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes?

What is meant by "virtue"?

What is this "virtue"?

What does it mean that "virtue" went out of him, and healed them all?

The very same Greek word is used in Acts 1:8:

Act 1:8
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Evang.Benincasa · #5 08-06-2017, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila

The symptoms of demonic oppression can be rather extensive. Matt Burris, our team leader, had these printed on a sheet of paper as part of a small packet he'd give people who inquired about deliverance:

Have you had any of the following experiences?

1. Noticing a presence as in someone watching you.
2. A heaviness or fearfulness in a certain room of your home.
3. Sensing a cold spot in a room or cold feeling on part or all of your physical body.
4. Feeling someone touch you when you are all alone or no one nearby.
5. A burning sensation at the upper back just below the nape of your neck, potentially accompanied by the feeling of tingling.
6. Sensing frightening Shadows from the corner of your eyes.
7. Behavior and personality changes.
8. A loss of self-esteem and/or self-confidence.
9. Recurrent or frequent nightmares, such as unwanted sexual experiences, being raped, tormented, or tortured.
10. Major changes in clarity of thinking or analytical ability.
11. Memory lapses.
12. A drained feeling or fatigue without cause, as in a drain of vitality or physical strength.
13. Hearing harassing voices inside your mind, as in negative words, demoralizing and degrading you, and suggesting you do things you do not wish to do.
14. Illnesses that come on suddenly that a doctor cannot diagnose.
15. Sudden illnesses that cannot be explained, as in flu-like symptoms, headache, low-vibrational trauma inside your body.
16. Hallucinations.
17. Inability to sleep well without having to take sleep aids.
18. Waking up in the middle of the night sensing someone in the room.
19. Sleep-walking, conversations, or other actions during sleep that you cannot remember upon waking.
20. Difficulty coping with the routine of everyday life.
21. Sudden explicable inability to cope with responsibilities, such as hardship at work doing what used to be easy.
22. Depression without understanding why or knowing an apparent cause, and becoming chronic.
23. Sudden bouts of sorrow, sadness, fear, or dread without explanation.
24. Feeling trapped or helpless for no apparent reason.
25. Intrusive negative thoughts that insight feelings of anger, rage, or the desire to inflict physical violence upon yourself or others.
26. Compulsive immoral behaviors that fill you with feelings of shame, guilty, and condemnation.
27. Feeling isolated, and even wanting to be isolated.
28. Anxiety or unexplainable disinterest relating to attending religious worship or activities.
29. Feelings of fear or dread when preparing to read your Bible.
30. Sudden dislike for religious music.

Any one of these things, or a combination of these things, could indicate that one is under demonic oppression.