The part in bold would appear to be different than what MtD and Esaias have posted. Not a true post-trib position, but rather (for lack of a better description) late-trib?
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Originally Posted by Originalist
Sean is a liar and does not even debate coherently.
Certainly some will be martyred during the 3-1/2 year tribulation. Those will be part of the dead in Christ. Those who are ALIVE and REMAIN (left) will be protected from the wrath of God as the Hebrews were protected from the Egyptian plagues. At Christ's coming, we are lifted in the air to meet him as the full power of his wrath is poured out. Why this is such a hard concept to grasp for Sean makes me really wonder about the guy. He has to resort to straw-man arguments and outright lies to try to stay in the debate. But grammatical law already dispelled his myths.
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I do not believe the church will go through the tribulation. Call me a heretic, I do not care. Claim I'm going to split hell wide open over believing this, whatever.
The tribulation is God's wrath upon the earth. MtD and Esaias may believe that God is a bride beater and abusive spouse, but I do not.
The tribulation of Revelation is called the "great day of His wrath." Again, God is not an abusive spouse or a bride beater.
1 Thes 1 "even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come."
1 Thes 5 "God did not appoint us to wrath."
Rev 3 "I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world..."
It is true that we face trials, temptations and may even face persecution before the end; however, we will not be on the earth when God pours out His wrath during the great tribulation.
"But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when
they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon
them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And
they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness."
We are not they.
Some claim the church will remain but God will protect them as he did the children of Israel in Goshen. I've thought about that myself. If there is a mid-trib, it would be before the Sixth Seal. Because during the Sixth Seal it's written that the "great day of His wrath is come." Again, I do not believe God will cause His bride to endure His wrath.
What bridegroom/husband does that? Seriously,
if you believe God is a bride beater and spouse abuser, I question your relationship with your own wife/husband. Do you beat your wife? Knock her around for good sport? Rain down your wrath on her?
Hopefully the answer is no. So why, then, would God bring down His wrath on His bride?
My issue with a mid-tribulation point of view is even then it means God's bride will endure calamity such as God's children have never been through. And in regards to God sheltering His people as He did the Israelites in Goshen, it's one thing to cover a people in one city, it's quite another to simultaneously allow tribulation against the wicked and protection of the church in the same areas.
Seven Seals
First Seal: Rider on the White horse establishes a one-world government
Second Seal: World War
Third Seal: World Famine
Fourth Seal: 1/4 of the world will die
Fifth Seal: Innumerable numbers martyred
Sixth Seal: Great earthquake "great day of His wrath is come..."
Seventh Seal: Thunderings, Lightnings and an Earthquake
Seven Trumpets
First Trumpet: Hail and Blood Fire
Second Trumpet: Mountain of Fire/Sea becomes blood
Third Trumpet: Wormwood
Fourth Trumpet: Darkness
Fifth Trumpet: Locusts and Scorpions
Sixth Trumpet: 1/3 of the earth will die
Seventh Trumpet: Lightnings, Thunderings, Earthquake and great Hail
Seven Vials
First Vial: Boils
Second Vial: Sea turned to blood
Third Vial: Rivers and fountains turned to blood
Fourth Vial: Heat
Fifth Vial: Darkness
Sixth Vial: Euphrates dried
Seventh Vial: Great Earthquake
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