Wine vs Grape Juice

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I agree that wine is for communion.

I do not agree that wine is NOT for social drinking.

This issue amuses me. Why do we teach against drinking? We all know the drill. How many weddings (weddings are social occasions), have we attended where the minister performing the ceremony invokes the scripture that Jesus' first miracle was performed at a wedding? It is used to lend credibility to the marriage ceremony, as it should be. Have you heard this?

Now that almost everybody is waving their hands, let me ask this. How many times have you heard it commented on that Jesus' first miracle was making wine, out of water?! I'm not seeing as many hands, for some odd reason.

It is a cultural thing. Perhaps it is a remnant of our puritanical roots. It is however, NOT based on Bible.

Wine was for social drinking. It still is. It was for celebrations. It still is for celebrations. It was for everyday consumption. It still is.

Jesus drank wine. Paul instructed Timothy to drink a little wine for his health. This is all found in the scripture.

I am feeling convicted. I have a dirty little secret.


I don't drink wine or ANY alcoholic beverages.

Do you think there is any hope for me to be saved?

I am so ashamed. And I pretend to be a follower of Christ! I need to do better. Lord, I hope it is not a salvational issue.




Maybe I'll go out and buy a bottle of wine. But what if my church members (or my pastor), see me?

What's a body to do.

(sigh)

Wine was used as drink with meals because of the fermentation helps digestion. Same thing with other middle eastern fermented foods or beverages. Yet, while we may be able to do these things it might not be profitable. Because not everyone is a church disgruntle, having problems with Christian culture of separation from the culture around you. You might be worried about a pastor seeing you, but your church circles aren't the problem. It is the unchurched who might walk away with the wrong idea.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Wine is for the Lord’s supper, communion.

Not social drinking.

My suggestion is stop doing communion before you get online.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Sean

My suggestion is stop doing communion before you get online.

Sean, you should be ashamed! Here we are being all serious, yea even feeling conviction, and you are being funny.

And that WAS funny though.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by bishoph

What percentage of oneness Pentecostals do you guesstimate take wine vs graphic juice. I am not wanting to debate the subject at all, I am just doing some research on the numbers either way.

Graphic juice? Is that the old MD 40/40?

[Tithesmeister]

What would (did) Jesus do?

Why did they call Him a glutton and a winebibber?

I think we know the answer, but we pretend otherwise. I'm not sure that it matters though whether it is wine or grape juice. I think that the wine is more authentic, but I've never taken communion with wine.

Just for fun: Slightly off topic. We preach against drinking because drunkenness is a sin. Why do we not preach against eating, since gluttony is a sin?

[houston]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Graphic juice? Is that the old MD 40/40?

20/20

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by houston

20/20

40/40 got outlawed.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

40/40 got outlawed.

This is what I was told by an older family member. I said "You mean Mad Dog 20/20?" She said "No, 40/40, it got banned or something decades back in the 70s."

So there's that.

[Sean]

Gulp!!!

[Esaias]

Did y'all know the MD actually stands for Mogen David? Yes, Mad Dog is kosher.

lol