Chris Reed

[Michael The Disciple]

So getting back to the topic of the thread:

Originally Posted by Esaias View Post


One the one hand, we have the idea that the gifts are lacking because people are not measuring up to high standards. Then on the other hand we have the idea that the gifts are disconnected from and not dependent on any such moral, ethical, or doctrinal standards.

Which seems to me to be a bit of a paradox. If gifts are not dependent on orthodoxy or morality or spirituality (!), then there ought to be no lack at all of charismata in today's church world....

So for Chris Reed or anyone else to be counted as A PROPHET......how much truth must they believe in and teach? Another way of putting it would be how much doctrinal error can they have and be a real PROPHET?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So getting back to the topic of the thread:


So for Chris Reed or anyone else to be counted as A PROPHET......how much truth must they believe in and teach? Another way of putting it would be how much doctrinal error can they have and be a real PROPHET?

What do the Scriptures say on the subject?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Esaias

What do the Scriptures say on the subject?

It is my opinion that a true prophet would understand the foundation doctrine given by the apostles. That they would bear witness of or point one to that truth. as well as having a major and consistent public prophetic gift.

Ephesians 4:11-15

11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

This is what I would expect from a prophet. While I do believe anyone with the Holy Ghost could have a gift of prophecy I dont think it means they stand in the office of a prophet.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

This is what I would expect from a prophet. While I do believe anyone with the Holy Ghost could have a gift of prophecy I dont think it means they stand in the office of a prophet.

Amen.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

It is my opinion that a true prophet would understand the foundation doctrine given by the apostles. That they would bear witness of or point one to that truth. as well as having a major and consistent public prophetic gift.

Ephesians 4:11-15



This is what I would expect from a prophet. While I do believe anyone with the Holy Ghost could have a gift of prophecy I dont think it means they stand in the office of a prophet.

He means post trib and beards

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So getting back to the topic of the thread:


So for Chris Reed or anyone else to be counted as A PROPHET......how much truth must they believe in and teach? Another way of putting it would be how much doctrinal error can they have and be a real PROPHET?

Recall the man of God, a prophet, who lied to the other man of God, also a prophet, and compelled him to come in and dine, and God slew the second prophet after using the first prophet who lied, to tell the second prophet that he had disobeyed God would be killed?

1 Kings 13.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Recall the man of God, a prophet, who lied to the other man of God, also a prophet, and compelled him to come in and dine, and God slew the second prophet after using the first prophet who lied, to tell the second prophet that he had disobeyed God would be killed?

1 Kings 13.

That story has always bothered me.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Recall the man of God, a prophet, who lied to the other man of God, also a prophet, and compelled him to come in and dine, and God slew the second prophet after using the first prophet who lied, to tell the second prophet that he had disobeyed God would be killed?

1 Kings 13.

Even prophets can fail God.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Even prophets can fail God.

There is "the man of God", and then there is "an old prophet". It doesn't say he was a prophet OF GOD, just "an old prophet".

After lying to and deceiving the man of God, he becomes a balaam's ass and pronounces doom on the man of God.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Esaias

There is "the man of God", and then there is "an old prophet". It doesn't say he was a prophet OF GOD, just "an old prophet".

After lying to and deceiving the man of God, he becomes a balaam's ass and pronounces doom on the man of God.

In that scenario the "man of God" prophet failed God by disobedience. But my original question was dealing with the New Testament prophet and sound doctrine. Can one be a prophet to the Church and not be in the foundation doctrine of Christ?