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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by diakonos

I guess I should ask, how would it be handled if a Baptist (or insert denomination here) preacher showed up outside of an apostolic revival, camp, or meeting and began to preach his doctrine.

Of an Apostolic revival, camp, or meeting, he'd be ignored?

Or if it was UPCI revival, camp, or meeting , they'd let him teach a class on finances?

If Chris Reed and friends' revival, camp, or meeting, they would ask if he had a relative whose name started with the letter B?

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Of an Apostolic revival, camp, or meeting, he'd be ignored?

Good point.

Or if it was UPCI revival, camp, or meeting , they'd let him teach a class on finances?

If Chris Reed and friends' revival, camp, or meeting, they would ask if he had a relative whose name started with the letter B?

[coksiw]

A comment of a user in YouTube:

After the praise team sang a few songs, they left to go eat lunch. While they were gone, a small group of students were hanging around & praying �� for one another. One guy started to share his testimony (with just the remaining few students) of how he attempted suicide a few years ago. But the Lord spared him and he was repentant and so grateful for God saving him from dying. Then the other girl said that is when the atmosphere shifted & the outpouring of the Spirit happened and fell in the place. She contributed it to the young man sharing his testimony in humility and repentance. The praise/gospel team came back to the Chapel from lunch and began singing again, as the students were still there. �� And the rest is history.
(This is firsthand from students that were in the chapel when the outpouring began and the University administrators during a ZOOM meeting.)

The last preaching before the event began:

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by coksiw

A comment of a user in YouTube:

After the praise team sang a few songs, they left to go eat lunch. While they were gone, a small group of students were hanging around & praying �� for one another. One guy started to share his testimony (with just the remaining few students) of how he attempted suicide a few years ago. But the Lord spared him and he was repentant and so grateful for God saving him from dying. Then the other girl said that is when the atmosphere shifted & the outpouring of the Spirit happened and fell in the place. She contributed it to the young man sharing his testimony in humility and repentance. The praise/gospel team came back to the Chapel from lunch and began singing again, as the students were still there. �� And the rest is history.
(This is firsthand from students that were in the chapel when the outpouring began and the University administrators during a ZOOM meeting.)

The last preaching before the event began:

I'm so sorry, I mean no offense ( I know that's hard to believe )

But, that video of the preaching was drier than a mummy's pocket.

Please forgive me in advance.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

that video of the preaching was drier than a mummy's pocket.

It really was.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I'm so sorry, I mean no offense ( I know that's hard to believe )

But, that video of the preaching was drier than a mummy's pocket.

Please forgive me in advance.

I was just sharing the facts. I have a hard time believing the preaching had anything to do with it. I don't see anything in that preaching about "Holy Spirit" and "speaking in tongues" as some have testified that it was said echoing someone's post somewhere.

I heard on twitter that Asbury Seminary is the one that is OK with lgbt, but Asbury University (where the "revival" is happening) has a biblical stand on sexuality. However, a "queer" student said that he was glad that people of color, women, and "queers" friends were leading the worship (https://twitter.com/JustinPetersMin/...33291963957250). So I don't know if that was a plain lie, or the Asbury University ain't aware of what's truly going on there and thinks everything is in agreement with their stand. It could even be that the "queer" friend seen is not longer "queer". I haven't even verified the sexuality stand of the Seminary vs the University, either, yet.

I want to believe it is a true move of the Spirit on a few that went out of proportion regarding popularity by those seeking an experience. I want to believe that the "queer" situation was an oversight of the University not realizing who is standing up there to represent the body of Christ. Not all Methodists groups are equal anyways. Some are very conservative, as the ones I personally know. But I'm not judging anything until I examine the facts.

I know for a fact, and personal experience, that non-holiness Trinitarians do feel the move of God mightily at times. I also know for a fact, including personal experience, that some lose the move of God for not responding to the call of the Spirit to holiness and truth.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by coksiw

I was just sharing the facts. I have a hard time believing the preaching had anything to do with it. I don't see anything in that preaching about "Holy Spirit" and "speaking in tongues" as some have testified that it was said echoing someone's post somewhere.

I heard on twitter that Asbury Seminary is the one that is OK with lgbt, but Asbury University (where the "revival" is happening) has a biblical stand on sexuality. However, a "queer" student said that he was glad that people of color, women, and "queers" friends were leading the worship (https://twitter.com/JustinPetersMin/...33291963957250). So I don't know if that was a plain lie, or the Asbury University ain't aware of what's truly going on there and thinks everything is in agreement with their stand. It could even be that the "queer" friend seen is not longer "queer". I haven't even verified the sexuality stand of the Seminary vs the University, either, yet.

I want to believe it is a true move of the Spirit on a few that went out of proportion regarding popularity by those seeking an experience. I want to believe that the "queer" situation was an oversight of the University not realizing who is standing up there to represent the body of Christ. Not all Methodists groups are equal anyways. Some are very conservative, as the ones I personally know. But I'm not judging anything until I examine the facts.

I know for a fact, and personal experience, that non-holiness Trinitarians do feel the move of God mightily at times. I also know for a fact, including personal experience, that some lose the move of God for not responding to the call of the Spirit to holiness and truth.

Man, I even remember spontaneous moves of God in his grace, and some individuals who were obviously living in unrepentant sin, pushing themselves thru to be included, and trying to be part of the prayer, and wanting protagonism, and wanting to be included in the ministering, yet without repentance. And they do get away with it, messing things, if there is not also a strong stand on apostolic doctrine like the original revival of Acts 2:38 was, namely perseverance in the apostolic doctrine, and a established authority (first the apostles, then elders, in Acts, etc...).

I think it is possible that the Asbury case probably started by a few having some sort of experience with God, totally unrelated with the preaching, but more because of their faith, and then that turning in what it is today out of massive propagation in part thanks to the president of the Seminary calling all students to join the 20 praying students in an email.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by coksiw

I was just sharing the facts. I have a hard time believing the preaching had anything to do with it. I don't see anything in that preaching about "Holy Spirit" and "speaking in tongues" as some have testified that it was said echoing someone's post somewhere.

I heard on twitter that Asbury Seminary is the one that is OK with lgbt, but Asbury University (where the "revival" is happening) has a biblical stand on sexuality. However, a "queer" student said that he was glad that people of color, women, and "queers" friends were leading the worship (https://twitter.com/JustinPetersMin/...33291963957250). So I don't know if that was a plain lie, or the Asbury University ain't aware of what's truly going on there and thinks everything is in agreement with their stand. It could even be that the "queer" friend seen is not longer "queer". I haven't even verified the sexuality stand of the Seminary vs the University, either, yet.

I want to believe it is a true move of the Spirit on a few that went out of proportion regarding popularity by those seeking an experience. I want to believe that the "queer" situation was an oversight of the University not realizing who is standing up there to represent the body of Christ. Not all Methodists groups are equal anyways. Some are very conservative, as the ones I personally know. But I'm not judging anything until I examine the facts.

I know for a fact, and personal experience, that non-holiness Trinitarians do feel the move of God mightily at times. I also know for a fact, including personal experience, that some lose the move of God for not responding to the call of the Spirit to holiness and truth.

This is the stand on sexuality of the Asbury University: https://www.asbury.edu/wp-content/up...-Statement.pdf

Such statement is the same stand as the Global Methodist Church, which is the conservative methodists that left the United Methodist Church on the LGBT issue.

No idea how that plays out with the front stage participation of those "queers" (homosexual) students.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by coksiw

I was just sharing the facts. I have a hard time believing the preaching had anything to do with it. I don't see anything in that preaching about "Holy Spirit" and "speaking in tongues" as some have testified that it was said echoing someone's post somewhere.

I heard on twitter that Asbury Seminary is the one that is OK with lgbt, but Asbury University (where the "revival" is happening) has a biblical stand on sexuality. However, a "queer" student said that he was glad that people of color, women, and "queers" friends were leading the worship (https://twitter.com/JustinPetersMin/...33291963957250). So I don't know if that was a plain lie, or the Asbury University ain't aware of what's truly going on there and thinks everything is in agreement with their stand. It could even be that the "queer" friend seen is not longer "queer". I haven't even verified the sexuality stand of the Seminary vs the University, either, yet.

I want to believe it is a true move of the Spirit on a few that went out of proportion regarding popularity by those seeking an experience. I want to believe that the "queer" situation was an oversight of the University not realizing who is standing up there to represent the body of Christ. Not all Methodists groups are equal anyways. Some are very conservative, as the ones I personally know. But I'm not judging anything until I examine the facts.

I know for a fact, and personal experience, that non-holiness Trinitarians do feel the move of God mightily at times. I also know for a fact, including personal experience, that some lose the move of God for not responding to the call of the Spirit to holiness and truth.

The video you posted was of a homosexual teaching a Bible study?

No wonder he was giving a plug to a taco shop, latte shop, and gelato shop.

[coksiw]

When I was in High School, living in it (basically a brainwashing method), in my communist country of origin, we had what I consider a revival.

I began to gather other Christians for prayer. We started with only two of us who were Trinitarian Pentecostals that still had some holiness back then, then people from other denominations joined us: baptist, methodists, etc... When we reached the number of 8, as we were praying in the middle of nowhere in the countryside (since what we were doing was prohibited), the "baptist", as he described it, saw the dark sky being filled with a great light, and then the light came down on him. As result, he fell on his knees a began to speak in tongues loud and clear. From my perspective, I was feeling the presence of God at that moment, and then I saw him going down on his knees suddenly crying and speaking in tongues. Then, he described (as he saw in vision, and reported after the meeting) that the light began to move towards each one of us, and as the light reached one, we would see that one kneeling and speaking in tongues. At the end, all in the group began to speak in tongues. To clarify, me and my Trinitarian Pentecostal friend had spoken in tongues before, so not everyone in there was without the experience before. All that didn't have it, were all filled with the Spirit, and those that did, spoke in tongues too. The "baptist" stopped being that kind of baptist.

After that experience, great miracles began to happen. There were people with demons being delivered with great power, others were instantly healed in front of bunch of unbelievers by the imposition of hands, the prophetic manifested (not just of blessing but also judgments, and coming to past almost immediately), and the sharing of the gospel spread. We were certainly threatened by the authorities (I personally was, as I was considered the one that started the thing, but wasn't) and beaten and robbed by heaters, but our group when from 8 to close to 40 in less than 2 years. When I left High School for the University, the group still met on the countryside, in the middle of nowhere, at dusk.

We used to get sent back home every two weeks for a weekend. The group was also testifying of God's works at their home town thru their hands, which included miracles, conversions, and such, during those weekends they were at home.

I believe I have given details of some of the miracles in other threads, but just trying to make a point this time.

I personally haven't seen a revival like that happened before at that level. Not even in UPCI churches and evangelist revival events. That's how a true revival looks to me. Don't get me wrong, those events called "revival" are indeed edifying, encouraging, and some do get saved thru them, but I have never seen one at the level I have seen before.