Bott 2023

[Esaias]

So, a revival broke out a week or so ago at Asbury University in Kentucky, a Methodist-Wesleyan college. Round the clock prayer and singing, people lined up for half a mile outside trying to get in, reported on local and national news, viral on social media...

Oh and apparently anybody older than 26 is banned from the main location.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So, a revival broke out a week or so ago at Asbury University in Kentucky, a Methodist-Wesleyan college. Round the clock prayer and singing, people lined up for half a mile outside trying to get in, reported on local and national news, viral on social media...

Oh and apparently anybody older than 26 is banned from the main location.

Where did you read this information about banning anyone? Never heard this...

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Barb

Where did you read this information about banning anyone? Never heard this...

"Revival continues into its eighth day. The revival receives coverage from The Washington Post.[1] Asbury Seminary's regularly scheduled chapel services overflow. Hughes Auditorium is closed by Asbury students to all people 26 and over, a decision made to prioritize the voices of Generation Z. "

From the Asbury Revival Wikipedia page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Asbury_Revival

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So, a revival broke out a week or so ago at Asbury University in Kentucky, a Methodist-Wesleyan college. Round the clock prayer and singing, people lined up for half a mile outside trying to get in, reported on local and national news, viral on social media...

Oh and apparently anybody older than 26 is banned from the main location.

They also called some media that were planning on showing up and requested they not do so and apparently the media stations respected the heck out of them and honored their wishes.

[votivesoul]

If a problem of any kind exists, it's a lot easier to blame an individual, than the group that produced the individual with the problem.

If you look at the world, and think it's screwed up and twisted, you might find yourself hopeless and ineffective, in that, you know you cannot fix the whole entire world.

But if you look at yourself, and think, I'm screwed up and twisted, you might find yourself hopeful and effective, in that, you know you can be fixed (at least it's a more likely proposition).

In that, again, it is a lot easier to point to the individual than it is to point to the group.

But sometimes, just sometimes, it's the group that's the problem, and the individual is the one with his or her head on straight. If so, it's up to that individual to try and help the group, if he or she can be received.

The point I'm trying to make here is:

If at BOTT, the leaders are advising therapies and counseling and help outside of the Kingdom of God, it might be time to admit that such advice is a confession that they don't got the goods to effectively help people with their manifold problems.

But that's a hard pill to swallow. It's just easier to point at individuals, or even at one's self. Because if the church is screwed up and twisted, how hopeless and ineffective do you suppose you'll be in fixing it?

[n david]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

If a problem of any kind exists, it's a lot easier to blame an individual, than the group that produced the individual with the problem.

If you look at the world, and think it's screwed up and twisted, you might find yourself hopeless and ineffective, in that, you know you cannot fix the whole entire world.

But if you look at yourself, and think, I'm screwed up and twisted, you might find yourself hopeful and effective, in that, you know you can be fixed (at least it's a more likely proposition).

In that, again, it is a lot easier to point to the individual than it is to point to the group.

But sometimes, just sometimes, it's the group that's the problem, and the individual is the one with his or her head on straight. If so, it's up to that individual to try and help the group, if he or she can be received.

The point I'm trying to make here is:

If at BOTT, the leaders are advising therapies and counseling and help outside of the Kingdom of God, it might be time to admit that such advice is a confession that they don't got the goods to effectively help people with their manifold problems.

But that's a hard pill to swallow. It's just easier to point at individuals, or even at one's self. Because if the church is screwed up and twisted, how hopeless and ineffective do you suppose you'll be in fixing it?

Wow.

Is there no balm in Gilead? Is there no physician there? why then is not the health of the daughter of my people recovered?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by n david

Wow.

Is there no balm in Gilead? Is there no physician there? why then is not the health of the daughter of my people recovered?

Let's pretend it's the middle of the 2nd century.

Think of all the traumas the average person would have undergone before becoming a Christian. Slavery, rape, beatings, war... Just to name a few.

And there were no AMA certified pill pushers or "therapists" available anywhere.

Yet somehow people seemed to handle life a bit more competently than we do in the 21st century...

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Let's pretend it's the middle of the 2nd century.

Think of all the traumas the average person would have undergone before becoming a Christian. Slavery, rape, beatings, war... Just to name a few.

And there were no AMA certified pill pushers or "therapists" available anywhere.

Yet somehow people seemed to handle life a bit more competently than we do in the 21st century...

Right. We have become a very fragile people.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Let's pretend it's the middle of the 2nd century.

Think of all the traumas the average person would have undergone before becoming a Christian. Slavery, rape, beatings, war... Just to name a few.

And there were no AMA certified pill pushers or "therapists" available anywhere.

Yet somehow people seemed to handle life a bit more competently than we do in the 21st century...

So, its fair to say that a lot of the problems today exist because of weak minded individuals?

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

So, its fair to say that a lot of the problems today exist because of weak minded individuals?

There’s a thought! Some people “backslide” because the pastor didn’t greet them last service.