John MacArthur Didn't like to speak in tongues.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

And I also believe that the blood of Jesus went down through the earthquake crack at Golgotha, landing on the mercy seat of the ark of the covenant.

Hebrews 9:23-24 KJV
It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. [24] For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

This seems to me to teach that whether Christ's blood dripped down onto the actual physical ark of the covenant/mercy seat or not is irrelevant. For Christ was purifying not the things made with hands (like the ark of the covenant) but heavenly things of which the ark of the covenant and the mercy seat were simply temporary physical representations.

[diakonos]

Excellent! That was my thought as well.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Hebrews 9:23-24 KJV
It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. [24] For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

This seems to me to teach that whether Christ's blood dripped down onto the actual physical ark of the covenant/mercy seat or not is irrelevant. For Christ was purifying not the things made with hands (like the ark of the covenant) but heavenly things of which the ark of the covenant and the mercy seat were simply temporary physical representations.

Goal!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Yes, he did.
Maybe you read the verse superficially?

It’s my fault? Brother Steven, the verse is extremely clear.

“And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the Lord, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the Lord: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.”

Ron Wyatt was a fibber. As 99.9 % of religious quacks tell ecclesiastical lies on the daily. Ron Wyatt never ever found the ark of the covenant. Let alone scraped a sample of 2,000 year old dried blood from off the mercy seat. I’m not attacking you, or calling you dishonest. You sincerely believe the testimony as I once did. I totally accepted Mr Wyatt’s words. Sadly without scrutiny. I shared Ron Wyatt’s claim with others. Until I realized Ron was an ecclesiastical grifter. Brother Steven I wanted to believe his story. Yet, by close examination I found his story to be utter nonsense. Jesus is our only focus. He didn’t need a Mercy Seat, because He is the Mercy Seat. The cherubim focus their gaze on Him.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Hey, it was ok to dress casual on Wednesday night and maybe even Sunday mornings. But if we dressed casual on Sunday nights, man o man, they had to “pray us through.”

So, sometimes I would dress casual on purpose.

I preached for Pastor Herman Hebert in DeRidder Louisiana. I was the only one in a suit. I like wearing suits. But, a suit cannot be used properly in every situation. May I also add that never untying a tie after you sweat in it for over an hour shows. No one may ever alert you to this, but I will. Untailored trousers look shabby. Sadly, Pentecost, as well as other suit wearing denominations, hardly teach on the proper way to wear a suit. So, let me make a long story short. If you are wearing a suit, and it has not be tailored to fit you, and your tie looks like a knot on the top of a bag of bread. If your shoes look like you ran a through Mississippi mud. Your white shirt has a grime ring. Then get yourself a causal shirt, Wranglers, and a nice set of boots. Because looking like you are a sack of potatoes in dress shoes is just as bad as going to Walmart in pajamas.

When I was younger some of my new converts would go to Good Will and pick up a suit, shirt, tie, and a pair of beat up dress shoes. This was a sincere attempt to “clean up” in their mind. Wanting to look like the rest of the crew. I applaud the effort. Yet, their ensemble looked like Good Will 3.0. While others would keep their mouths shut and allow the brother to believe they looked good. They actually looked like they were shot out of a cannon. All because they look at suits as being mandatory. Good Will especially Deseret Industries, have some awesome causal wear for a good price. A new convert would be better served by getting “cleaned up” with casual wear instead of dead grandpa’s old suit and shoes.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I've been in churches where if a person starts praying, and starts praying in tongues, and then coughs, everybody thinks that person has a demon instead and tries to lay hands on them to cast it out. Didn't happen to me but I've seen when a cough during prayer was taken that way.

That’s a leadership issue. The group didn’t come up with that nonsense on their own. They were taught that coughing was a demon exiting stage right.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Over 20 years ago (man, I’m old) in a youth service there was a young woman who was being prayed for/over. Because she wouldn’t speak in tongues people assumed she was fighting/had a devil.

I don’t know where people get this stuff from.

If one person believes it, then it’s their personal belief. But if the whole crew see it a certain way. It came from the pulpit. Hence the reason a visiting evangelist needs to keep it “evangelistic.”

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Ron Wyatt was a fibber. As 99.9 % of religious quacks tell ecclesiastical lies on the daily. Ron Wyatt never ever found the ark of the covenant.

Have you listened to the interviews with his two sons?

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I preached for Pastor Herman Hebert in DeRidder Louisiana. I was the only one in a suit. I like wearing suits. But, a suit cannot be used properly in every situation. May I also add that never untying a tie after you sweat in it for over an hour shows. No one may ever alert you to this, but I will. Untailored trousers look shabby. Sadly, Pentecost, as well as other suit wearing denominations, hardly teach on the proper way to wear a suit. So, let me make a long story short. If you are wearing a suit, and it has not be tailored to fit you, and your tie looks like a knot on the top of a bag of bread. If your shoes look like you ran a through Mississippi mud. Your white shirt has a grime ring. Then get yourself a causal shirt, Wranglers, and a nice set of boots. Because looking like you are a sack of potatoes in dress shoes is just as bad as going to Walmart in pajamas.

When I was younger some of my new converts would go to Good Will and pick up a suit, shirt, tie, and a pair of beat up dress shoes. This was a sincere attempt to “clean up” in their mind. Wanting to look like the rest of the crew. I applaud the effort. Yet, their ensemble looked like Good Will 3.0. While others would keep their mouths shut and allow the brother to believe they looked good. They actually looked like they were shot out of a cannon. All because they look at suits as being mandatory. Good Will especially Deseret Industries, have some awesome causal wear for a good price. A new convert would be better served by getting “cleaned up” with casual wear instead of dead grandpa’s old suit and shoes.

I remember the tie knot that looked like the bread bag. I thought it was tacky so I learned the Windsor.

I recall as a teen I would use way too much starch on my slacks. To the point that the crease would slightly fold over on itself when I would sit. I’m still upset that no one ever mentioned it… but rather let me look stupid.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by diakonos

I remember the tie knot that looked like the bread bag. I thought it was tacky so I learned the Windsor.

I recall as a teen I would use way too much starch on my slacks. To the point that the crease would slightly fold over on itself when I would sit. I’m still upset that no one ever mentioned it… but rather let me look stupid.

That's is my whole point. Why instruct brothers and sisters to look their "Sunday Best" then not help them get there. This is our church family, they represent us, not only Christianity. Shouting services where we are all running and sweating like road crews. Then to go out in public looking like we all were dragged behind a car to get to Cracker Barrel. Isn't a good look. But, if everyone was dressing casual then you can fix yourself up "appropriately."
Give some instruction on how to look neat, clean, and good. I came to Pentecost looking like a biker. Only to find out that many didn't have the slightest idea how to wear a suit. So, when you had too much starch in your clothing, those around you may have had no idea if it was incorrect. They may have looked good to you, even better dressed than you. But they had no idea what a suit should look like. I had to learn this. The word "suit" means to flow as in following. One colored jacket, with another color in pants and shoes isn't a suit. Anyway, we represent each other, you are my brother. I shouldn't let you look stupid. If you look stupid, I look stupid.