San Diego UPC Choir TEARS IT UP with Michael English and Mark Lowry

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

I will say this: He tried to make it outside of gospel music, but with little success. He eventually came back to gospel music where he could make a good living.

I question the sincerity of anyone who sings gospel music because he can't make it anywhere else!

According to you he came to where he could make money, according to him he came back to what he was raised and loved doing - singing gospel music.

Originally Posted by Pianoman

ME is now re-married and has a little boy. I won't comment about NOW, but before he got married he was a FAKE!

And so are most of today's Christian artists . . . but have they been treated as ME was?

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

And so are most of today's Christian artists . . . but have they been treated as ME was?

Some have been treated worse. So few in the industry have any integrity at all...

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

According to you he came to where he could make money, according to him he came back to what he was raised and loved doing - singing gospel music.

What would you EXPECT him to say? "Folks, I couldn't make it outside gospel, so I decided to come back!"? Of course he is going to put a positive spin on it!

You are correct about gospel music fakes! I talked at length one day to Donnie Sumner, and he told me stories about behind the scenes stuff with the different quartets back in the day.

That being said, there are many gospel music singers and musician that are TRUE Christians, and try to live a life that is pleasing to God.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by NLYP

I applauded him for refusing the awards and he also gave back every one he won. As a sign of repentance and humility.

Do you applaud him for the following?

Right after I moved to Nashville in 1999 Michael English was working his way back to credibility in gospel music.

He had hooked in with the TBN crowd and they were promoting him heavily. In addition to guesting a lot on TBN he was given his own show or was at least featured on a series (I forget which exactly).

With all of this publicity he was primed for his "second chance". He recorded a new CD and just before it was to come out and while he still appearing on TBN as this repented, forgiven saint who had fallen but now had made things right he was arrested by the Nashville police for illegal possession of precription drugs.

The police raided the apartment that news reports said he SHARED with his girlfriend and found something like 400 prescription drugs he was using and abusing with no prescriptions (the number may be wrong I am going from my memory of 8 years or so ago but it was an amazingly large number).

It amazes me that when something like this happens after a person has already done a doozy like committing adultery the TBN crowd get mad at you for suggesting perhaps you don't continue to have faith in the person.

[NLYP]

Originally Posted by CC1

Do you applaud him for the following?

Right after I moved to Nashville in 1999 Michael English was working his way back to credibility in gospel music.

He had hooked in with the TBN crowd and they were promoting him heavily. In addition to guesting a lot on TBN he was given his own show or was at least featured on a series (I forget which exactly).

With all of this publicity he was primed for his "second chance". He recorded a new CD and just before it was to come out and while he still appearing on TBN as this repented, forgiven saint who had fallen but now had made things right he was arrested by the Nashville police for illegal possession of precription drugs.

The police raided the apartment that news reports said he SHARED with his girlfriend and found something like 400 prescription drugs he was using and abusing with no prescriptions (the number may be wrong I am going from my memory of 8 years or so ago but it was an amazingly large number).

It amazes me that when something like this happens after a person has already done a doozy like committing adultery the TBN crowd get mad at you for suggesting perhaps you don't continue to have faith in the person.

No CC...I dont applaud him for that.........
Brett Favre was once addicted to pain killers...but he is still my sports hero!
"Rejoice not against me O my enemy, for WHEN I fall, I shall arise"

WHEN...not IF!

I do understand what you are saying...but this was recorded in January last year....if he is back on track...I celebrate with him on that premise.
Lord knows I have had and needed more than one or two or three fresh starts in my life spiritually.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by NLYP

No CC...I dont applaud him for that.........
Brett Favre was once addicted to pain killers...but he is still my sports hero!
"Rejoice not against me O my enemy, for WHEN I fall, I shall arise"

WHEN...not IF!

I do understand what you are saying...but this was recorded in January last year....if he is back on track...I celebrate with him on that premise.
Lord knows I have had and needed more than one or two or three fresh starts in my life spiritually.

Like you I pray he really means it this time. However I don't have to listen to him, watch him, or buy his CD's and that is what I choose to do. I would rather spend my time supporting artists with integrity (or at least have not had multiple proven huge moral failures).

I would be nice to him in person and happily sit next to him in church worshipping God. I just am no longer a fan and won't support his career.

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by CC1

Do you applaud him for the following?

Right after I moved to Nashville in 1999 Michael English was working his way back to credibility in gospel music.

He had hooked in with the TBN crowd and they were promoting him heavily. In addition to guesting a lot on TBN he was given his own show or was at least featured on a series (I forget which exactly).

With all of this publicity he was primed for his "second chance". He recorded a new CD and just before it was to come out and while he still appearing on TBN as this repented, forgiven saint who had fallen but now had made things right he was arrested by the Nashville police for illegal possession of precription drugs.

The police raided the apartment that news reports said he SHARED with his girlfriend and found something like 400 prescription drugs he was using and abusing with no prescriptions (the number may be wrong I am going from my memory of 8 years or so ago but it was an amazingly large number).

It amazes me that when something like this happens after a person has already done a doozy like committing adultery the TBN crowd get mad at you for suggesting perhaps you don't continue to have faith in the person.

I'm glad you're perfect . . . Really, I am. I'm glad you've never done something wrong only to turn around and do something else wrong.

Can't say that myself. I've made boneheaded decisions, messed up, got right only to turn left again and had to start all over.

I, too, had the pharisees around me that pointed (as you have) to the faults and inconsistencies in my life. Thankfully I'm blessed to be stubborn. Thankfully I have this way of learning to ignore the ones who rejoice in failures and shortcomings. Thankfully I never gave up, though that would have been so easy to do at times. Thankfully there were some sincere Christians that picked me up, helped brush me off and led me back to the cross.

I knew the drug news would be brought out. Unfortunately artists and people like Michael live in very open, glass houses. Their mistakes aren't just reminded of them by the condemnation they feel in their hearts, but it's the splash on the front page of the paper; the lead story in the 10 o'clock news; the fodder of late-night shows and comedians.

It's unfortunate that one's who profess themselves to be Christians are among the stone-throwers.

Tell me, CC1, are you without sin?

Yes, Michael was addicted to prescription drugs; and yes he obtained a large amount of those drugs illegally - though I don't believe the number mentioned is accurate.

What's lost in this condemning diatribe against him is that he's not alone in this addiction. Others have been addicted to the same thing.

One man we all know, Rush Limbaugh, was addicted and illegally received some amount of these drugs.

I believe it was around the same time that he was going through a divorce and the loss of hearing in his ear.

Imagine this, if you can...though I'm sure your life is perfect and you've never had problems like Michael.

He was on the top as a Christian artist, just having swept several Dove Awards;
Within a week that all comes crashing down with his confession of the affair and pregnancy;
Then Jordan miscarries;
He's dropped from every so-called Christian radio station, retailer and his record label;
There's the no-doubt, ugly divorce; and
Suddenly the man who had it all was left with nothing.

If memory is right, I believe he was legally prescribed these drugs before becoming addicted.

Just as Rush Limbaugh...

Just as some church folk I know...

The drugs weren't illegal; they're used by millions of people, including some apostolics I know.

Several years ago I was hospitalized for over a week and was prescribed the same pills RL was given. I never became addicted, never have needed to get another prescription to them.

At the same time, there's a couple other things that helped me not to become addicted to them: first and foremost is I have something that ME and RL didn't, the Holy Ghost inside me; second is I've never faced the hurt and despair I imagine they've felt during those times.

Don't be so quick to throw stones at the man. Yes, he was wrong. No, I don't applaud or approve of what he's done in the past . . . but it doesn't matter to God how many times a person falls; what really matters to God is how many times that person gets back up.

JMO

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

I'm glad you're perfect . . . Really, I am. I'm glad you've never done something wrong only to turn around and do something else wrong.

Can't say that myself. I've made boneheaded decisions, messed up, got right only to turn left again and had to start all over.

I, too, had the pharisees around me that pointed (as you have) to the faults and inconsistencies in my life. Thankfully I'm blessed to be stubborn. Thankfully I have this way of learning to ignore the ones who rejoice in failures and shortcomings. Thankfully I never gave up, though that would have been so easy to do at times. Thankfully there were some sincere Christians that picked me up, helped brush me off and led me back to the cross.

I knew the drug news would be brought out. Unfortunately artists and people like Michael live in very open, glass houses. Their mistakes aren't just reminded of them by the condemnation they feel in their hearts, but it's the splash on the front page of the paper; the lead story in the 10 o'clock news; the fodder of late-night shows and comedians.

It's unfortunate that one's who profess themselves to be Christians are among the stone-throwers.

Tell me, CC1, are you without sin?

Yes, Michael was addicted to prescription drugs; and yes he obtained a large amount of those drugs illegally - though I don't believe the number mentioned is accurate.

What's lost in this condemning diatribe against him is that he's not alone in this addiction. Others have been addicted to the same thing.

One man we all know, Rush Limbaugh, was addicted and illegally received some amount of these drugs.

I believe it was around the same time that he was going through a divorce and the loss of hearing in his ear.

Imagine this, if you can...though I'm sure your life is perfect and you've never had problems like Michael.

He was on the top as a Christian artist, just having swept several Dove Awards;
Within a week that all comes crashing down with his confession of the affair and pregnancy;
Then Jordan miscarries;
He's dropped from every so-called Christian radio station, retailer and his record label;
There's the no-doubt, ugly divorce; and
Suddenly the man who had it all was left with nothing.

If memory is right, I believe he was legally prescribed these drugs before becoming addicted.

Just as Rush Limbaugh...

Just as some church folk I know...

The drugs weren't illegal; they're used by millions of people, including some apostolics I know.

Several years ago I was hospitalized for over a week and was prescribed the same pills RL was given. I never became addicted, never have needed to get another prescription to them.

At the same time, there's a couple other things that helped me not to become addicted to them: first and foremost is I have something that ME and RL didn't, the Holy Ghost inside me; second is I've never faced the hurt and despair I imagine they've felt during those times.

Don't be so quick to throw stones at the man. Yes, he was wrong. No, I don't applaud or approve of what he's done in the past . . . but it doesn't matter to God how many times a person falls; what really matters to God is how many times that person gets back up.

JMO

CR....

You are way, way outta line here. You know I am a guy that talks about mercy and grace all the time. I am a guy for grace. But God is the one that gives the grace. CC is coming from a different point of view than we are on this. He is friends with the ex and knows some behind the scene stories. I do not think it is fair to pull out the "you-without-sin-cast-the-first-stone" thing. We have all sinned. CC is not saying he has not sinned. Infact, he said he has no problem with him, but he does not support ME's ministry by buying tapes and such. Come on!

[CC1]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

I'm glad you're perfect . . . Really, I am. I'm glad you've never done something wrong only to turn around and do something else wrong.

Can't say that myself. I've made boneheaded decisions, messed up, got right only to turn left again and had to start all over.

I, too, had the pharisees around me that pointed (as you have) to the faults and inconsistencies in my life. Thankfully I'm blessed to be stubborn. Thankfully I have this way of learning to ignore the ones who rejoice in failures and shortcomings. Thankfully I never gave up, though that would have been so easy to do at times. Thankfully there were some sincere Christians that picked me up, helped brush me off and led me back to the cross.

I knew the drug news would be brought out. Unfortunately artists and people like Michael live in very open, glass houses. Their mistakes aren't just reminded of them by the condemnation they feel in their hearts, but it's the splash on the front page of the paper; the lead story in the 10 o'clock news; the fodder of late-night shows and comedians.

It's unfortunate that one's who profess themselves to be Christians are among the stone-throwers.

Tell me, CC1, are you without sin?

Yes, Michael was addicted to prescription drugs; and yes he obtained a large amount of those drugs illegally - though I don't believe the number mentioned is accurate.

What's lost in this condemning diatribe against him is that he's not alone in this addiction. Others have been addicted to the same thing.

One man we all know, Rush Limbaugh, was addicted and illegally received some amount of these drugs.

I believe it was around the same time that he was going through a divorce and the loss of hearing in his ear.

Imagine this, if you can...though I'm sure your life is perfect and you've never had problems like Michael.

He was on the top as a Christian artist, just having swept several Dove Awards;
Within a week that all comes crashing down with his confession of the affair and pregnancy;
Then Jordan miscarries;
He's dropped from every so-called Christian radio station, retailer and his record label;
There's the no-doubt, ugly divorce; and
Suddenly the man who had it all was left with nothing.

If memory is right, I believe he was legally prescribed these drugs before becoming addicted.

Just as Rush Limbaugh...

Just as some church folk I know...

The drugs weren't illegal; they're used by millions of people, including some apostolics I know.

Several years ago I was hospitalized for over a week and was prescribed the same pills RL was given. I never became addicted, never have needed to get another prescription to them.

At the same time, there's a couple other things that helped me not to become addicted to them: first and foremost is I have something that ME and RL didn't, the Holy Ghost inside me; second is I've never faced the hurt and despair I imagine they've felt during those times.

Don't be so quick to throw stones at the man. Yes, he was wrong. No, I don't applaud or approve of what he's done in the past . . . but it doesn't matter to God how many times a person falls; what really matters to God is how many times that person gets back up.

JMO

You are one sick puppy if you think the vast majority of christians "falter" with things like adultery, drug abuse, etc.

Of course I am not perfect but I get sick of people like you and Sandra trying to pass off repeated major moral failures by people as something we should just ignore and treat them as if nothing happened.

As I said I hope his umpteenth repentance is true and he does good and I will treat him kindly if I ever meet him but don't try and tell me I have to support him by watching him. listening to him. buying his CD's, etc.

It is crazy for you to compare the kind of repeated sins this guy committs with the stumbling all christians make with living out our Christian walk.

Let this bozo go without a major moral failure for a few years and demonstrate the life he is claiming and I might become a fan again. In the meantime I have no biblical compulsion to be a fan.

[Monkeyman]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

I'm glad you're perfect . . . Really, I am. I'm glad you've never done something wrong only to turn around and do something else wrong.

Can't say that myself. I've made boneheaded decisions, messed up, got right only to turn left again and had to start all over.

I, too, had the pharisees around me that pointed (as you have) to the faults and inconsistencies in my life. Thankfully I'm blessed to be stubborn. Thankfully I have this way of learning to ignore the ones who rejoice in failures and shortcomings. Thankfully I never gave up, though that would have been so easy to do at times. Thankfully there were some sincere Christians that picked me up, helped brush me off and led me back to the cross.

I knew the drug news would be brought out. Unfortunately artists and people like Michael live in very open, glass houses. Their mistakes aren't just reminded of them by the condemnation they feel in their hearts, but it's the splash on the front page of the paper; the lead story in the 10 o'clock news; the fodder of late-night shows and comedians.

It's unfortunate that one's who profess themselves to be Christians are among the stone-throwers.

Tell me, CC1, are you without sin?

Yes, Michael was addicted to prescription drugs; and yes he obtained a large amount of those drugs illegally - though I don't believe the number mentioned is accurate.

What's lost in this condemning diatribe against him is that he's not alone in this addiction. Others have been addicted to the same thing.

One man we all know, Rush Limbaugh, was addicted and illegally received some amount of these drugs.

I believe it was around the same time that he was going through a divorce and the loss of hearing in his ear.

Imagine this, if you can...though I'm sure your life is perfect and you've never had problems like Michael.

He was on the top as a Christian artist, just having swept several Dove Awards;
Within a week that all comes crashing down with his confession of the affair and pregnancy;
Then Jordan miscarries;
He's dropped from every so-called Christian radio station, retailer and his record label;
There's the no-doubt, ugly divorce; and
Suddenly the man who had it all was left with nothing.

If memory is right, I believe he was legally prescribed these drugs before becoming addicted.

Just as Rush Limbaugh...

Just as some church folk I know...

The drugs weren't illegal; they're used by millions of people, including some apostolics I know.

Several years ago I was hospitalized for over a week and was prescribed the same pills RL was given. I never became addicted, never have needed to get another prescription to them.

At the same time, there's a couple other things that helped me not to become addicted to them: first and foremost is I have something that ME and RL didn't, the Holy Ghost inside me; second is I've never faced the hurt and despair I imagine they've felt during those times.

Don't be so quick to throw stones at the man. Yes, he was wrong. No, I don't applaud or approve of what he's done in the past . . . but it doesn't matter to God how many times a person falls; what really matters to God is how many times that person gets back up.

JMO

I disagree with 1 point of your post......the "JMO". Its not opinion...its WORD! Good job bro, and praise God for His mercy in your/my life!!!