From MOW's own mouth

[Scott Hutchinson]

AW,TROUVERE your line of work, is getting folks better so they can stay away from guys like NLYP.

After 179 posts, I thought I would check in to see what is going on....

yawn... not much I see.

MOW, now that you've had you say, I'll be looking for your posts.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I have received phone calls amidst speculation as to why I have left. Today is the first time I have logged since July. It is not and NEVER has been my intention to control anything that goes on here on this forum. I am not an owner and I have nothing invested here other than time. My comments here MUST NOT be construed as trying to hurt this forum or do anything negative in any way whatsoever.

I am FOR truth and have repeatedly stated that we NEVER need be afraid of truth or telling the truth, including why I or anyone else has left this forum, their organization, or what have you. It is truth that sets people free. I am FOR freedom of expression of ideas on this forum whether they be pro or con UPC or any other organization. Truth is truth.

I have NOT left because of anything to do the "Ohio Church" thread.

The truth is, IMO, that there is a "tension" that exists between two viewpoints on the Admin team. Those two viewpoints have caused tension on more than one occasion. Even in the midst of that, I have NEVER been treated any other way by any member of the Admin team other than with respect and kindness. However, I am not and NEVER will again be UPC. My viewpoint is at odds with some others when it comes to the level of truth that can be discussed and issues that are "fair game" on this forum.

Since I am not an owner, I do not feel that it is fair for me to "pull" the direction of this forum in any way. However, it became a source of frustration for me to go back and forth on these "control" issues. I have no desire whatsoever to re-hash those issues. I have been out of the UPC for over 10yrs and have no desire to go back and fight those battles. For that reason and that reason alone, I chose to leave so as not to cause continued friction from my point of view. The last thing I want to do is cause trouble. No one asked me to leave, quite to the contrary, I was asked to stay. I love everyone here including every single one of the Admins who have treated me kindly.

IMO, the two viewpoints can't co-exist. There is too much pressure from the outside. (purely my opinion)

In the church I pastor, we have had to deal with some extremely difficult issues, one being child molestation from one of our SS staff. He currently is prison. I hid NOTHING from the church, the police or anyone. Since we dealt with it "head-on" and other issues as well over the years, we have not even landed in the paper in a negative light. If you hide nothing, people have nothing to "dig" up.

I have gone on record stating that when truth is stifled on this forum, in any manner, I'm gone.

You all are a GREAT bunch of people who have blessed me abundantly. You are greatly appreciated. Please don't be upset if I'm no longer here. I have not hidden my true identity, phone numbers or email address. I have nothing to fear from anyone. To contact me, go to:

www.newlife-church.org

For you "lazy" folks out there


419-625-6110 Office
419-239-3429 Cell
419-433-4127 Home
manofword@newlife-church.org Email

May you ALL be blessed above measure!!!!

MOW (John Adams)

Brother, you are right. The same thing that causes tension on the posting "floor" can cause tension behind the scenes. Somebody mentioned heading in one direction. I have come to realize that it just isn't going to happen on these forums. There will always be a tug of war in process.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I have received phone calls amidst speculation as to why I have left. Today is the first time I have logged since July. It is not and NEVER has been my intention to control anything that goes on here on this forum. I am not an owner and I have nothing invested here other than time. My comments here MUST NOT be construed as trying to hurt this forum or do anything negative in any way whatsoever.

I am FOR truth and have repeatedly stated that we NEVER need be afraid of truth or telling the truth, including why I or anyone else has left this forum, their organization, or what have you. It is truth that sets people free. I am FOR freedom of expression of ideas on this forum whether they be pro or con UPC or any other organization. Truth is truth.

I have NOT left because of anything to do the "Ohio Church" thread.

The truth is, IMO, that there is a "tension" that exists between two viewpoints on the Admin team. Those two viewpoints have caused tension on more than one occasion. Even in the midst of that, I have NEVER been treated any other way by any member of the Admin team other than with respect and kindness. However, I am not and NEVER will again be UPC. My viewpoint is at odds with some others when it comes to the level of truth that can be discussed and issues that are "fair game" on this forum.

Since I am not an owner, I do not feel that it is fair for me to "pull" the direction of this forum in any way. However, it became a source of frustration for me to go back and forth on these "control" issues. I have no desire whatsoever to re-hash those issues. I have been out of the UPC for over 10yrs and have no desire to go back and fight those battles. For that reason and that reason alone, I chose to leave so as not to cause continued friction from my point of view. The last thing I want to do is cause trouble. No one asked me to leave, quite to the contrary, I was asked to stay. I love everyone here including every single one of the Admins who have treated me kindly.

IMO, the two viewpoints can't co-exist. There is too much pressure from the outside. (purely my opinion)

In the church I pastor, we have had to deal with some extremely difficult issues, one being child molestation from one of our SS staff. He currently is prison. I hid NOTHING from the church, the police or anyone. Since we dealt with it "head-on" and other issues as well over the years, we have not even landed in the paper in a negative light. If you hide nothing, people have nothing to "dig" up.

I have gone on record stating that when truth is stifled on this forum, in any manner, I'm gone.

You all are a GREAT bunch of people who have blessed me abundantly. You are greatly appreciated. Please don't be upset if I'm no longer here. I have not hidden my true identity, phone numbers or email address. I have nothing to fear from anyone. To contact me, go to:

www.newlife-church.org

For you "lazy" folks out there


419-625-6110 Office
419-239-3429 Cell
419-433-4127 Home
manofword@newlife-church.org Email

May you ALL be blessed above measure!!!!

MOW (John Adams)

Bro. Adams,

Did I ever tell you that I appreciate you and your wife? If I didn't, just want you to know I do. I believe everything you stated in this and I also know how difficult it is to do the right thing. We had a board member who was arrested for the same reason and the repercussions didn't quit but we never tried to cover it up like the previous administration. It gave the person in charge a measure of control...to buy his silence.

I also agree that there are control issues between the two forces and I am often caught between and my posts often deleted, but he who has the money has the power.

Blessings, Rhoni

[J-Roc]

We're 20 pages away from the initial post, so a play-by-play summary that has some people here on AFF concerned, with Ferd leading the charge, is as follows:

Key talking points:

1-

Originally Posted by MOW

I am FOR freedom of expression of ideas on this forum whether they be pro or con UPC or any other organization. Truth is truth.

The bolded statement seems to suggest that he thinks some discussion is being censored or suppressed...considering he was an inside man, his words seem to carry further weight.


2-

Originally Posted by MOW

The truth is, IMO, that there is a "tension" that exists between two viewpoints on the Admin team.

A tension that he seems to think may be due to outside forces or pressure...


3-

Originally Posted by MOW

My viewpoint is at odds with some others when it comes to the level of truth that can be discussed and issues that are "fair game" on this forum.

This further suggests his view that there is some censorship going on that does not give room to arguably 'fair game' topics.


4-

Originally Posted by MOW

IMO, the two viewpoints can't co-exist. There is too much pressure from the outside. (purely my opinion)

Confirmation for my comment on item #2 above.


5-

Originally Posted by MOW

I have gone on record stating that when truth is stifled on this forum, in any manner, I'm gone.

Confirmation for my comment on item #1 above


These are the key talking points of MOW's post and decision for stepping away.

[Praxeas]

Rumor has it that MOW is sitting in his speedos in front of the PC now reading the forum, just not posting

[Praxeas]

BTW Truth was never stifled on this board. I've never been to another Apostolic board where we discussed so many diverse things from two far apart views like on standards than this board

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

We're 20 pages away from the initial post, so a play-by-play summary that has some people here on AFF concerned, with Ferd leading the charge, is as follows:

Key talking points:

1-


The bolded statement seems to suggest that he thinks some discussion is being censored or suppressed...considering he was an inside man, his words seem to carry further weight.

I addressed this, Firestarter. MOW felt that AFF's statement of Faith would stiffle freedom to post. It will only to those who tear down Apostolic doctrine as defined in the statement.


2-

A tension that he seems to think may be due to outside forces or pressure...

Again, MOW felt that the statement was some Affirmation Statement. It was NOT. I am NOT UPC, and I wrote it after having considered ALL of our posters beliefs. It does not even exclude trinitarians from posting, as Sola is still here. What it DOES do is give what the limits are as far as discussing whether Oneness or Jesus name baptism is error.
3-

This further suggests his view that there is some censorship going on that does not give room to arguably 'fair game' topics.

See my post above
4-

Confirmation for my comment on item #2 above.

I met Bro Epley last weekend and shared a few moments of fellowship with him. I will be looking to meet up with CC1 and Pianoman for lunch in the near future. Show me where the 2 cannot exist. We do it every day here. It is happening right now with me and you. This was only MOWs opinion
5-

Confirmation for my comment on item #1 above

What truth is stiffled. Is everyone upset that we didn't make a big announcement that MOW had left. I, along with the admin team, was hoping he would come back. Why announce it?

These are the key talking points of MOW's post and decision for stepping away.

My comments are in red

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

My comments are in red

I haven't finished reading your comment and I will....but what's with the "firestarter" comment....just a few pages ago, another Admin addressed me with an adjective and basically threatened me when I did likewise....is it open season and can I throw my jabs at you addressing you with adjectives or will I be threatened by a ban or infraction....what's the deal with this kinda stuff?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

I haven't finished reading your comment and I will....but what's with the "firestarter" comment....just a few pages ago, another Admin addressed me with an adjective and basically threatened me when I did likewise....is it open season and can I throw my jabs at you addressing you with adjectives or will I be threatened by a ban or infraction....what's the deal with this kinda stuff?

That's your code name in the Admin forum ....J/K

J, you know you and Dan have reputations for stirring the pot. I think its is a term of endearment.