Pastors move to withhold/lessen SFC offerings in protest of NAYC

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Well that's good because I'm sure we don't want everyone to start sharing pm's around here.

That would not be advantageous.

[Theresa]

*shakes head*


pathetic....and really sad.

[stmatthew]

I think the main issue is that she was placed up as a roll model to kids because of her occupation, and many felt that it contradicts bylaws, and sends a message to the youth contrary to the current teachings of the org..

[Newman]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I think the main issue is that she was placed up as a roll model to kids because of her occupation, and many felt that it contradicts bylaws, and sends a message to the youth contrary to the current teachings of the org..

Sometimes it looks like the organization is a god unto itself with its teachings expected to be on par with His Word. God forbid that the UPC should appear less stodgy and removed from where youth are today.

I would really love to know how many young people stay through adulthood in these churches that are protesting (and are not on payroll or expected to take a church position in the future)? Fire away!

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Newman

Sometimes it looks like the organization is a god unto itself with its teachings expected to be on par with His Word. God forbid that the UPC should appear less stodgy and removed from where youth are today.

I would really love to know how many young people stay through adulthood in these churches that are protesting (and are not on payroll or expected to take a church position in the future)? Fire away!

Sis,

do you think ethics are important when dealing with ministry?? Why didn't they find some youth that had made a perfect score in school, or brought out the person that was the champ of the quiz team, and make them a roll model. The whole point is not that the org is God, the whole point is that it ain't ethically right for someone in leadership to go contrary to the current bylaws that the constituency holds and present someone that contradicts them as a roll model. ETHICS is what I am talking about, not whether the bylaws are right or not.

BTW,

I am protesting, and all my kids continue to have a real relationship with God.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Sis,

do you think ethics are important when dealing with ministry?? Why didn't they find some youth that had made a perfect score in school, or brought out the person that was the champ of the quiz team, and make them a roll model. The whole point is not that the org is God, the whole point is that it ain't ethically right for someone in leadership to go contrary to the current bylaws that the constituency holds and present someone that contradicts them as a roll model. ETHICS is what I am talking about, not whether the bylaws are right or not.

BTW,

I am protesting, and all my kids continue to have a real relationship with God.

1. I would guess that you are not raising your children under all the affirmation statements of the UPC. So I don't think your children can fairly represent what I have asked about.

And I also think it premature to count one's children safe, who aren't yet married and raising kids of their own. This is where we find out if they simply got along or they got a hold of God on their own.

NOTE/ I mean no offense by this statement. I am very concerned about my own and the paths they may yet decide. I only point out my belief that the true proof of the pudding is determined when the child raises their own children not when they are captive members of the household.

2. Laws and organizations change as people, thinking and time changes. For instances, the UPC has statements against people fighting in war; and yet our churches honor vetrans and give honor to those in the military. Thank God!

We don't cry foul over that.

3. There was a time when birth control was considered evil. Fortunately, it didn't get codified into the affirmation statement. If it did; the issue would haunt us today since the organization seems incapable of deleting what no longer makes sense.

4. I agree. I think the top Bible Quizers and those that are doing wonderful in their studies should have been honored and celebrated too. But that wouldn't carry the novelty of finding out that God can work through people in some pretty unlikely places.

5. So the bottom line is about keeping our kids committed to God as they walk over fools hill. Boring them to death with the same ole same ole may not work so effectively; especially in this age of the internet. IMO

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Newman

3. There was a time when birth control was considered evil. Fortunately, it didn't get codified into the affirmation statement. If it did; the issue would haunt us today since the organization seems incapable of deleting what no longer makes sense.

:

Oh for the good ole days!

[RandyWayne]

I believe the one where she was sitting on stage being interviewed was. and the camera guy had to get right in front of her, him off the stage and her knees shining at eye level.

Ohhhhhhh, those..... knees........! <impression of Homer drooling>

But I understand bylaws and all.... I am sure there were other pics that could have been posted..... (having NOT seen the pic in question. But then again, I am the one who saw nothing wrong with Cathryn Zeta Jones either.)

[CC1]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Ohhhhhhh, those..... knees........! <impression of Homer drooling>

But I understand bylaws and all.... I am sure there were other pics that could have been posted..... (having NOT seen the pic in question. But then again, I am the one who saw nothing wrong with Cathryn Zeta Jones either.)

I love that movie CZJ did with Sean Connery a few years ago. The title escapes me right now.

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by CC1

I love that movie CZJ did with Sean Connery a few years ago. The title escapes me right now.

Entrapment