Pastors move to withhold/lessen SFC offerings in protest of NAYC

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

My words to your strong challenge would be.

The fastest way to cause change is to withhold money from an organization.

When a store or service provider gives you bad service.

The first thing you do is complain and if that goes without notice.

You stop going to or using the service.

Men behind the pulpit teach us to be concerned with where our dollars are going and to be conscience of our political leaders.

Then they shy behind the "Man of God" curtain to accomplish many of the same failures as the political machine.

We should use the same common sense towards even our local church and international leadership of our faith.

There is more to "render unto Caesar what is Ceasar's and unto God what is God's" than just giving money. Matt 22:21

I think you folks still have not figured out that the tithe is the Lords, and he tells you were to take it to. It is not up to you to put it anywhere else. You do not have that option. Offerings YES, Tithe NO.

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I think you folks still have not figured out that the tithe is the Lords, and he tells you were to take it to. It is not up to you to put it anywhere else. You do not have that option. Offerings YES, Tithe NO.

but we aren't actually told where the tithe is suppose to go to...

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

but we aren't actually told where the tithe is suppose to go to...

Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that [there shall] not [be room] enough [to receive it].

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that [there shall] not [be room] enough [to receive it].

the offering bag being passed around on Sunday mornings is not a "storehouse"...

The Bible never tells us who exactly it should go to, especially not in the New Testament where the priesthood really doesn't exist anymore (other than the whole Body of Christ is the priesthood)

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I think you folks still have not figured out that the tithe is the Lords, and he tells you were to take it to. It is not up to you to put it anywhere else. You do not have that option. Offerings YES, Tithe NO.

So the tithe should go to WEC? Kind of like the pattern that the Mormons follow? The "storehouse" in Malachi was the storehouse ajacent to the Temple sanctuary. The tithe of Israel supported the centralized system of worship. If a Levite was ever found to be withholding a part of the tithe and not sending it along to HQ, he was in fact "robbing God."

We collect and allocate funds in a very de-centralized fashion. We have individual pastors who proclaim the local "shrine" or "high place" (the local church) to be the "House of God." We in fact practice the very system of de-centralized worship that the OT prophets so often railed against. I think that we should keep that in mind when telling people to bring the Lord's portion to any particular "storehouse."

But your points are well made.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I think you folks still have not figured out that the tithe is the Lords, and he tells you were to take it to. It is not up to you to put it anywhere else. You do not have that option. Offerings YES, Tithe NO.

There is always another church to drop your tithes off...

There should be accountabilty and open books....

Period!

[Neck]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I think you folks still have not figured out that the tithe is the Lords, and he tells you were to take it to. It is not up to you to put it anywhere else. You do not have that option. Offerings YES, Tithe NO.

In a free will society of the creation God called the Human Race we do have the option. However we will be outside of his blessings and care.

I don't think my parents knew they were having us do the hokey pokey and square dancing in elementary school... The school probably never even imagined that something like that could be considered an issue that they needed to inform the parents about (and who could blame them? lol)

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

I don't think my parents knew they were having us do the hokey pokey and square dancing in elementary school... The school probably never even imagined that something like that could be considered an issue that they needed to inform the parents about (and who could blame them? lol)

I don't remember us doing the hokey pokey, but in the 5th grade we did the square dancing, yes we did. And ALL the girls back then wore dresses.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

I don't think my parents knew they were having us do the hokey pokey and square dancing in elementary school... The school probably never even imagined that something like that could be considered an issue that they needed to inform the parents about (and who could blame them? lol)

I remember being in grade school and the big day for our grade-wide performances came. I must've been in the 1st or 2cd grade .... We had prepared to do the hokey-pokey and the alley cat ...

I felt so "convicted" as we practiced in the weeks anticipating the performance and kept it from my parents ...

on the day of ... while mom was getting me ready ... and I knew that my parents might be attending ....

I broke down and cried. I told mom that I didn't want to go to school because we would be dancing and I didn't want to sin before God and them. Mom explained to me that it was no biggie ....

It's amazing to think about some of the myths we were taught or how we often misapplied teachings due to the culture around us.