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09-12-2007, 05:09 PM
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I understand some of the evangelists streched the truth in their testimonys about their pasts.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
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09-12-2007, 05:11 PM
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I'm sure some good did come from Brownsville,but I hope they get a revelation of The Oneness of God ,and Jesus Name baptism.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
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10-27-2007, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Disturbing Trends?
"Mass healings" of general, unverifiable pains, ailments and diabetes while the crippled and those in wheelchairs are not singled out for healing of their obvious need.
Addressing the devil in prayer, cursing sickness and rebuking the devil in tongues.
"Commanding" everyone to start speaking in tongues when a signal is given.
We speak things that are not as though they were... but when is this done at the expense of truth?
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This is what separates the charlatans from those with genuine faith.
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10-27-2007, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne
This is what separates the charlatans from those with genuine faith.
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Strong words - but your point is well taken.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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10-27-2007, 08:37 PM
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AKA Tricia Lea
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Disturbing Trends?
"Mass healings" of general, unverifiable pains, ailments and diabetes while the crippled and those in wheelchairs are not singled out for healing of their obvious need.
Addressing the devil in prayer, cursing sickness and rebuking the devil in tongues.
"Commanding" everyone to start speaking in tongues when a signal is given
We speak things that are not as though they were... but when is this done at the expense of truth?
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Stuff lke that has got me questioning how much is real and how much is just a show
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10-27-2007, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by NightOwl
Stuff lke that has got me questioning how much is real and how much is just a show
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Your post would lead some to think this thread is bad and promotes faithlessness... I disagree.
Questioning is not bad. But when you do see and witness God working through the Holy Spirit and you identify it as such get involved! Sometimes the "real" is not in the lights... "...Pure religion and undefiled before God [mother] and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction..."
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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10-27-2007, 10:36 PM
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AKA Tricia Lea
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Your post would lead some to think this thread is bad and promotes faithlessness... I disagree.
Questioning is not bad. But when you do see and witness God working through the Holy Spirit and you identify it as such get involved! Sometimes the "real" is not in the lights... "...Pure religion and undefiled before God [mother] and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction..."
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wasn't my intention, but there are some things I have been questioning lately myself and some of the things you listed like people speaking in tongues on command, and the fact that many miracles today seem to be more on the side of being things hard to verify unlike those in the bible are part of things I have been questioning
we didn't see the Apostles commanding folks to speak in tongues, just a thought
Hope I explained myself ok as I am horrible at explaining myself
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10-27-2007, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by NightOwl
wasn't my intention, but there are some things I have been questioning lately myself and some of the things you listed like people speaking in tongues on command, and the fact that many miracles today seem to be more on the side of being things hard to verify unlike those in the bible are part of things I have been questioning
we didn't see the Apostles commanding folks to speak in tongues, just a thought
Hope I explained myself ok as I am horrible at explaining myself
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Stop apologizing and denigrating yourself, you are explaining yourself just fine. Your opinion is as welcome as anyone else's. Post on!! 
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10-27-2007, 10:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NightOwl
wasn't my intention, but there are some things I have been questioning lately myself and some of the things you listed like people speaking in tongues on command, and the fact that many miracles today seem to be more on the side of being things hard to verify unlike those in the bible are part of things I have been questioning
we didn't see the Apostles commanding folks to speak in tongues, just a thought
Hope I explained myself ok as I am horrible at explaining myself
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It's OK Nightowl, that's why I started this thread.
I do think it's important to balance the criticism in ones own mind with other evidence... the 120 did speak in tongues together in the Upper Room.
There is instruction for speaking in tongues in 1 Cor. 14.
I am not a cessationist, nor do I promote such a doctrine, however, I do think it's important to voice our concerns on the inside of Pentecost. It's far to easy to dismiss criticism when it comes from the outside - and it's automatically assumed to be an unfriendly attack.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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10-27-2007, 09:22 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Disturbing Trends?
"Mass healings" of general, unverifiable pains, ailments and diabetes while the crippled and those in wheelchairs are not singled out for healing of their obvious need.
Addressing the devil in prayer, cursing sickness and rebuking the devil in tongues.
"Commanding" everyone to start speaking in tongues when a signal is given.
We speak things that are not as though they were... but when is this done at the expense of truth?
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That happens because the ones that do it are really not what they claim to be....most of Pentecost is really far from the "ideal" that we want and so we end up manufacturing results, rather than waiting on God with prayer and fasting and just believing in Him. BTW what do you mean by addressing the devil in prayer? Didn't Jesus speak to devils? Is that wrong? I mean, in order to rebuke them.
I don't know about cursing sickness...Jesus cursed a tree and it died...is it wrong to curse someone's sickeness and expect it to die?
But the rebuking the devil in tongues? LOL...how do we know what we are saying? What if in tongues we are actually praising God? And then the tongue speaking on signal? That's just bizarre...
I've wanted to post this for a while now, but has anyone ever watched the 700 Club? They have this part where there are two, a man and a woman, and they pray and then they get the word of knowledge..in turns!
One will start and mention there is this person with this condition and God is healing you right now....then when that person is done the other person does the same thing.
Well they had this one time where Pat was praying and there is this young attractive black lady that is his on air assistant/host and she is supposed to be praying and getting a word of knowledge too....so Pat is praying and getting the word of knowledge and he stops because it's her turn, but I guess she is knew or just forgot her lines or whatever so has to remind her and now she got the word of knowledge too an starts telling someone of their condition and that God is healing them...
You know what it seems like to me? People are writting in prayer requests and they are acting like the Lord told them.
Watch it sometime. But that lady forgetting it was her turn was priceless!
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