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Old 09-13-2007, 03:42 PM
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the point ist hat the early church (and Christ himself) held and preached the same ideals that communism/socialism is founded on...

No, it can't be done by fallen humans, it will never work here, but to say communism is evil or the antithesis of Christianity is absurd and requires ignoring a large portion of the Bible...
So you're wanting us to believe that Jesus taught something....in all of His Wisdom, something that was unobtainable.

Jesus taught that giving was something you do according to your heart and ability...voluntarily.

This is NOT socialism nor communism....this is Christian charity.
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Old 09-13-2007, 02:55 PM
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You are misrepresenting the meaning of governmental communism.

Jesus did not advocate, preach or practice a political government where all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a self-perpetuating political party.

I will agree with you that the early church did display voluntary collectivist principles, but they did not practice communism.
uhm, the evidence suggests, the church in Jerusalem practiced communal living. there is no evidence this practice was exported with the Gospel.

We also find in scripture that eventually the Jerusalem church....the First Church, fell to such poverty that Paul took up a collection from the brothers in Asia Minor to take to them to save them .

Even in Scripture communism was a failure.

And NEVER did Jesus suggest comunsit ideals. He never advocated that all people live communally. What he espoused was that those with the means take care of those who were down trodden.

He espoused the idea that ministers should trust God and not material wealth for their sustanance

He NEVER taught any principle of Marxism, Communism, or even communal living.
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