Ministerial Ethics, Dropping Out and TV: Did You Forget You Agreed to This?

[Darcie]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Again, the fact that Article XIX, section 1 gives detailed procedure for affiliation, and disaffiliation, I still see you argument as moot. As long as a minister goes through the proper procedure in disaffiliating his church, he is not contradicting anything within the bylaws of the UPCI.

Affliated church is one thing...these folks are pulling out of the UPC completely.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Darcie

Affliated church is one thing...these folks are pulling out of the UPC completely.

Oh, like some cons and some libs have done in the past?

Serious question: Are you stating it is right or wrong to disaffiliate w/ the intent of leaving the UPCI or are you merely trying to point out what you see as an inconsistency?

[Darcie]

Originally Posted by rrford

Oh, like some cons and some libs have done in the past?

Serious question: Are you stating it is right or wrong to disaffiliate w/ the intent of leaving the UPCI or are you merely trying to point out what you see as an inconsistency?

This thread has turned to the subject of affiliation...that's not the point. There are many licensed ministers that pastor non affiliated churches. We are talking about alienation.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Darcie

This thread has turned to the subject of affiliation...that's not the point. There are many licensed ministers that pastor non affiliated churches. We are talking about alienation.

Is it alienation to not fellowship those that do not hold the same standards you do, and yet still have fellowship with those that do??

See, while I am in agreement that a conservative should not force those things that are convictions upon those that do not have them, I also am against the libs that think they have to force the conservative to "accept their liberties". This could be looked at as the same spirit that the homosexuals have when they attempt to force acceptance of their lifestyle.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Darcie

Affliated church is one thing...these folks are pulling out of the UPC completely.

Was I unethical to take my vacation on a job I had one time knowing I was going to give notice when I returned??

As long as the procedures for disaffiliation are done according to the bylaws, it really makes not a hill of beans if the preacher turns in his license afterwards. If the church is wanting to follow their God ordained Pastor, and he is going to leave the org, then they are well within their rights to disaffiliate to be able to keep him.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Was I unethical to take my vacation on a job I had one time knowing I was going to give notice when I returned??

As long as the procedures for disaffiliation are done according to the bylaws, it really makes not a hill of beans if the preacher turns in his license afterwards. If the church is wanting to follow their God ordained Pastor, and he is going to leave the org, then they are well within their rights to disaffiliate to be able to keep him.

Now we enter yet another area of discourse: who is responsible and more accountable for the local church?

The pastor, whose office was ordained by God in the Scripture, and who was called to that city and that flock, or a group of elected officials holding man made offices in a man made organization?

[Scott Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Now we enter yet another area of discourse: who is responsible and more accountable for the local church?

The pastor, whose office was ordained by God in the Scripture, and who was called to that city and that flock, or a group of elected officials holding man made offices in a man made organization?

I'd say the pastor and I'm not crazy about outside influences dictating things to pastors,a local church has some autonomy, to me.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Now we enter yet another area of discourse: who is responsible and more accountable for the local church?

The pastor, whose office was ordained by God in the Scripture, and who was called to that city and that flock, or a group of elected officials holding man made offices in a man made organization?

The way I read scripture I think it is the Elders. (this need not exclude the pastor BTW)

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Now we enter yet another area of discourse: who is responsible and more accountable for the local church?

The pastor, whose office was ordained by God in the Scripture, and who was called to that city and that flock, or a group of elected officials holding man made offices in a man made organization?

........legislating man made rules not exactly or clearly spelled out in scripture?

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Again, the fact that Article XIX, section 1 gives detailed procedure for affiliation, and disaffiliation, I still see you argument as moot. As long as a minister goes through the proper procedure in disaffiliating his church, he is not contradicting anything within the bylaws of the UPCI.

Exactly.

This is a feeble attempt at a "Gotcha!" that wouldn't fool my twelve year old.