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10-26-2007, 03:42 PM
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Bingo!!! We have a winner!!
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It is also often labeled relativism -- which I am accused of often... 
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Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break into pieces. | Etienne de la Boetie
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10-26-2007, 03:47 PM
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You ever heard of "situational ethics"?
I know they preach against it, but when it is in their favor they embrace it.
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Exactly, this is why I'm having a problem with a certain poster.
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10-26-2007, 03:43 PM
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10-26-2007, 03:44 PM
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Nope -- but humanity changes by the millisecond...
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Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break into pieces. | Etienne de la Boetie
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10-26-2007, 03:54 PM
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I posted this on Caston's thread, but I'll repost it here, since it seems apropos:
Having a license or not having a license, even having one and then turning it in has nothing to do with keeping the unity of the faith.
Sometimes you have a change in direction in your life, such as I did a couple of years ago, and staying in the man-made organization that you joined just isn't the proper thing to do anymore.
Remember, God is a God of constant change and growth.........Elijah was fed by ravens while sipping from one of the only streams of water in the land at the time..........but, there was a time when the stream dried up, and the birds stopped delivering food, and it was time for a change. If he would have been stubborn, and stayed because that's the way "things always have been", not only would he have died, but he never would have met the widow who baked him a cake, and purchased sustenance for herself and her family. So, sometimes refusal to change doesn't bring blessing, it brings demise.
The difference is - is this a God driven change, or am I just sulking because things didn't go my way?
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10-26-2007, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
I posted this on Caston's thread, but I'll repost it here, since it seems apropos:
Having a license or not having a license, even having one and then turning it in has nothing to do with keeping the unity of the faith.
Sometimes you have a change in direction in your life, such as I did a couple of years ago, and staying in the man-made organization that you joined just isn't the proper thing to do anymore.
Remember, God is a God of constant change and growth.........Elijah was fed by ravens while sipping from one of the only streams of water in the land at the time..........but, there was a time when the stream dried up, and the birds stopped delivering food, and it was time for a change. If he would have been stubborn, and stayed because that's the way "things always have been", not only would he have died, but he never would have met the widow who baked him a cake, and purchased sustenance for herself and her family. So, sometimes refusal to change doesn't bring blessing, it brings demise.
The difference is - is this a God driven change, or am I just sulking because things didn't go my way?
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It does when the shoe is on the other foot. As you have said over thier on Caston's thread, it is a matter of crying because one cannot have his way, as what this thread is for.
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10-26-2007, 04:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
I posted this on Caston's thread, but I'll repost it here, since it seems apropos:
Having a license or not having a license, even having one and then turning it in has nothing to do with keeping the unity of the faith.
Sometimes you have a change in direction in your life, such as I did a couple of years ago, and staying in the man-made organization that you joined just isn't the proper thing to do anymore.
Remember, God is a God of constant change and growth.........Elijah was fed by ravens while sipping from one of the only streams of water in the land at the time..........but, there was a time when the stream dried up, and the birds stopped delivering food, and it was time for a change. If he would have been stubborn, and stayed because that's the way "things always have been", not only would he have died, but he never would have met the widow who baked him a cake, and purchased sustenance for herself and her family. So, sometimes refusal to change doesn't bring blessing, it brings demise.
The difference is - is this a God driven change, or am I just sulking because things didn't go my way?
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Excellent thoughts, Michael Phelps!
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11-22-2007, 09:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
I posted this on Caston's thread, but I'll repost it here, since it seems apropos:
Having a license or not having a license, even having one and then turning it in has nothing to do with keeping the unity of the faith.
Sometimes you have a change in direction in your life, such as I did a couple of years ago, and staying in the man-made organization that you joined just isn't the proper thing to do anymore.
Remember, God is a God of constant change and growth.........Elijah was fed by ravens while sipping from one of the only streams of water in the land at the time..........but, there was a time when the stream dried up, and the birds stopped delivering food, and it was time for a change. If he would have been stubborn, and stayed because that's the way "things always have been", not only would he have died, but he never would have met the widow who baked him a cake, and purchased sustenance for herself and her family. So, sometimes refusal to change doesn't bring blessing, it brings demise.
The difference is - is this a God driven change, or am I just sulking because things didn't go my way?
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I agree with the message, but what about this; What if the pastor is not "just sulking because things didn't go their way"? What if the issue is a very important breach of what is right and wrong to them? what if, according to their convictions (convictions the ORG once shared, but changed.) the change crosses the line of what is right and wrong? Are we then going to attack their convictions?
Would you like it if someone attacked YOUR convictions and called YOU unethical because you didn't go along with the crowd?
Honestly, I disagree with leaving the org over this issue. BUT I also respect the men who decided that it is something that violates what they feel is right, and decide to stand for their convictions, and not just follow the crowd, and give in to the pressure.
But what I am seeing here, is continuous attacks on their character because they wont go along with everyone else, and they decide to form their own org.
To all those who appose them, What if you found yourself in a similar position? What if you found your org had made a change that your convictions would not allow you to go along with? What if everyone started pounding you, questioning your character, ethics, commitment, Christianity, and holiness because you decided to stand for what you believe?
How would you react? then why on earth are some of you doing the same to others in that position?
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11-22-2007, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by meBNme
I agree with the message, but what about this; What if the pastor is not "just sulking because things didn't go their way"? What if the issue is a very important breach of what is right and wrong to them? what if, according to their convictions (convictions the ORG once shared, but changed.) the change crosses the line of what is right and wrong? Are we then going to attack their convictions?
Would you like it if someone attacked YOUR convictions and called YOU unethical because you didn't go along with the crowd?
Honestly, I disagree with leaving the org over this issue. BUT I also respect the men who decided that it is something that violates what they feel is right, and decide to stand for their convictions, and not just follow the crowd, and give in to the pressure.
But what I am seeing here, is continuous attacks on their character because they wont go along with everyone else, and they decide to form their own org.
To all those who appose them, What if you found yourself in a similar position? What if you found your org had made a change that your convictions would not allow you to go along with? What if everyone started pounding you, questioning your character, ethics, commitment, Christianity, and holiness because you decided to stand for what you believe?
How would you react? then why on earth are some of you doing the same to others in that position?
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Plain, simple and to the point. GREAT post. It's also a great example of dialogue without drama.
(He's a newbie but I'm liking this one more and more!) 
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11-22-2007, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
I posted this on Caston's thread, but I'll repost it here, since it seems apropos:
Having a license or not having a license, even having one and then turning it in has nothing to do with keeping the unity of the faith.
Sometimes you have a change in direction in your life, such as I did a couple of years ago, and staying in the man-made organization that you joined just isn't the proper thing to do anymore.
Remember, God is a God of constant change and growth.........Elijah was fed by ravens while sipping from one of the only streams of water in the land at the time..........but, there was a time when the stream dried up, and the birds stopped delivering food, and it was time for a change. If he would have been stubborn, and stayed because that's the way "things always have been", not only would he have died, but he never would have met the widow who baked him a cake, and purchased sustenance for herself and her family. So, sometimes refusal to change doesn't bring blessing, it brings demise.
The difference is - is this a God driven change, or am I just sulking because things didn't go my way?
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By the way, I thought this - the post that meBNme responded to - was a great post as well.
The question at the end is one that all of the men 'staying or leaving' need to ask themselves. I hope most have.
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