Missionaries and Head Coverings in Muslim Countries

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Sabellius

Newman:

I believe that it can be understood that Muslims, while clearly having long veil usages, are set apart from a Jewish culture because, for them, the veil was not a long used custom. It was rarely, if ever, used. As you know I can provide some references if you need. Therefore, I think you have a comparison flaw here, if you are wanting to work this, in some sense, into our paradigm of 1 Corinthians 11. Good to see you posting here though.

To me a veil is a face covering. Are we both speaking of head coverings?

I am unaware of any scholars that believe that married Jewish women did not cover their heads with a head covering. (As an issue of modesty).

[JN Anderson]

Originally Posted by Newman

To me a veil is a face covering. Are we both speaking of head coverings?

I am unaware of any scholars that believe that married Jewish women did not cover their heads with a head covering. (As an issue of modesty).

IMO, a head covering, if one is TRULY part of the 1 Cor. 11 discourse, is indeed what is being talked of and not a veil or doiley as we see it practically related currently. I do not think it can be proven that Jewish women wore head coverings daily. There were usually other conditions (marriage, mourning, bethrothal, etc.) involved. Head coverings for many Jewish women, in public worship, simply covered the hair portion only. As it regards the Pauline text I think, if we believe it to be a subject, it is a temporal custom due to newly converted women from the Aphrodite Temple. I do not think it was universal.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Thad....you know Christians were wearing head coverings before there was a Muslim....Head coverings actually have been worn by Christian women for centuries even until recent times..

Trur because they were being obedient to Apostolic doctrine. The wearing of headcovering for Christian women only began to slide about 100 years ago. Until then if women did not cover with a veil they covered with a hat. This is easily proved historically.

[JN Anderson]

It cannot be proven, from scripture, that a female believer MUST or SHOULD wear a material covering, of any type, in order to pray or participate in public worship. If it can, then I await the evidence.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Thad....you know Christians were wearing head coverings before there was a Muslim....Head coverings actually have been worn by Christian women for centuries even until recent times..

Very true - and a fact that appears to be little known among Pentecostals. Funny how history is either ignored or rewritten in a matter of decades.

This morning we had a visitor attend church with us that was wearing a material covering.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Very true - and a fact that appears to be little known among Pentecostals. Funny how history is either ignored or rewritten in a matter of decades.

In fact; many heathen cultures were wearing head coverings before Christians and Muslims (as an issue of modesty for the wives who would bear legal children as opposed to the prostitutes).

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Newman

In fact; many heathen cultures were wearing head coverings before Christians and Muslims (as an issue of modesty for the wives who would bear legal children as opposed to the prostitutes).

I have no reason to doubt this either seeing the custom was present in the old testament.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Trur because they were being obedient to Apostolic doctrine. The wearing of headcovering for Christian women only began to slide about 100 years ago. Until then if women did not cover with a veil they covered with a hat. This is easily proved historically.

Well I don't know how much of it was based,. historically speaking, on what Paul wrote. I think it was really part of the middle eastern culture for women and they carried that over into the church as well. Im not saying no woman wore a covering because of what Paul taught. Rather what Im saying is that some did not need to know what Paul taught in order to wear a head covering.

[Felicity]

I'd like to see Newman and Sab come to a conclusion re the use/need of a veil/head covering. Can there be agreement regarding this matter even if we can't find it re hair cutting?

Why is this SUCH a controversial & confusing issue? LOL. Does it really need to be?

It's been debated, argued and discussed ever since I can remember with hardly half a dozen people (if that many) reaching agreement on the several points Paul made in his letter to the Corinthians.

[Steve Epley]

The ONLY defined covering in 1 Cor. 11 is long (let her hair grow) hair!!!!! No hat in this chapter whatsoever. The covering is given by God not man.