PAW Is Crumbling!!!Bishop Noel Jones is leaving too!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Adino

How do you guys interpret this statement from Braizer's website?

"If you are to be truly saved, you must trust the Lord Jesus Christ and receive Him into your heart as Savior and Lord. This is what it means to be born again."

lol...it's not important how "you guys" interpret it...what is important is how does HE interpret it

[Adino]

lol...it's not important how "you guys" interpret it...what is important is how does HE interpret it

Which is why I've contacted his church and am awaiting a response. I would still like to know how others interpret this statement.

If he does not intend to teach that one is born again at the moment one receives Christ into one's heart then he might want to change the wording on his site so he doesn't give the wrong impression that he is wanting to become more inclusive of others in the protestant world.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Adino

Which is why I've contacted his church and am awaiting a response. I would still like to know how others interpret this statement.

If he does not intend to teach that one is born again at the moment one receives Christ into one's heart then he might want to change the wording on his site so he doesn't give the wrong impression that he is wanting to become more inclusive of others in the protestant world.

Well like generic all inclusive statements on the Godhead of Jakes and others, this seems to be the trend. High profile "ministries" tend to hide or compromise what they believe for the sake of attracting more visitors who might otherwise NOT go to a Oneness church or Trinitarian church etc etc....In Pentecostal circles, Trinitarian and OP try to accept both sides. This may be one of those cases

[Adino]

Directly under the church name on the home page are three links:

New Members Video
Weekly Services
Do you believe?

Click "Do you believe?"

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Adino

Directly under the church name on the home page are three links:

New Members Video
Weekly Services
Do you believe?

Click "Do you believe?"

Ah...got it. Thanks

Perhaps he based this on a creative interpretation of I Cor 13??

[thedove34]

I'm listening to you and I'm saying to myself why the name calling.If you believe what you believe then do what you believe.

[thedove34]

This is wild PAW started from the Assembly of God which came from the COGIC.Check your history.PAW used to be triune.Wow

[gthaywood1880]

PAW was founded in 1906, COGIC founded in 1907 as a Pntecostal org., Assemblies of God founded in 1914. The PAW is the oldest Pentecostal and Apostolic org.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Adino

Directly under the church name on the home page are three links:

New Members Video
Weekly Services
Do you believe?

Click "Do you believe?"

Originally Posted by Adino

Here's the link on SALVATION.

The full article reads as follows:I have contacted his church asking for clarification. I will try again if I do not get a response soon.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That website is messed up lol. Thanks for the link...I still can't find it off of the regular menu though. Weird

This is the direct link.

http://www.acog-chicago.org/index.ph...116&Itemid=161

They do seem to be a one-stepper church. This is definitely 1-stepper language:

"If you are to be truly saved, you must trust the Lord Jesus Christ and receive Him into your heart as Savior and Lord. This is what it means to be born-again. The very moment you put your trust in the Lord Jesus Christ, He comes into your heart in the Person of the Holy Spirit, and eternal life begins."

They definitely speak of water baptism and the Holy Ghost as being important, but they dont speak of them as being elements required for the New Birth.