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Old 10-29-2007, 10:12 PM
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God takes VERY serious the prayers of a great number of people, but think of it THIS way: What is a few tens of thousands of people, praying for God to heal someone and keep them from death, worked every time just because of the faith of that many? We could keep someone alive indefinitely! Then the next question would be, who do "we" decide to have God make live forever?
Put that way, does anyone think God would allow a loophole like that?

As has been stated, God answers prayers, it's just not always the answer we want. BUT (to partially quote a song), it is always the answer we need!
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:38 PM
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I'm sorry, this thread is not at all going where I had intended to go with it.

We've all prayed for things and about things that didn't come to pass. Since God has made promises and He cannot lie, there has to be answers somewhere as to why those prayers did happen like we thought they would.
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I'm sorry, this thread is not at all going where I had intended to go with it.

We've all prayed for things and about things that didn't come to pass. Since God has made promises and He cannot lie, there has to be answers somewhere as to why those prayers did happen like we thought they would.
And therin lie the great value of praying... not simply presenting a wishlist, but discovering His will and submitting with patience.
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Old 10-30-2007, 08:32 PM
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I'm sorry, this thread is not at all going where I had intended to go with it.

We've all prayed for things and about things that didn't come to pass. Since God has made promises and He cannot lie, there has to be answers somewhere as to why those prayers did happen like we thought they would.
This is an article from a several years ago. It is about answered
prayer.

A long time ago I heard that God always answers prayer. Some times the answer is yes, some times it is no, and some times it is wait a while. This article breaks it down even more.

FIVE WAYS GOD ANSWERS PRAYER

Whatever the answer, your best interest is always in mind.

Luis Palau

Over the years, I've discovered from Scripture and experience that God loves to answer our prayers. Here are five of his most frequent answers:

1. NO, I LOVE YOU TOO MUCH

The Lord of the universe isn't under obligation to say "yes" to every prayer. That's a good thing, considering some of the things we request!

But sometimes God says "no" to our most heartfelt requests. Have you discovered this to be true in your own life? I certainly have. When my friend Diane started losing her hearing. When my mother-in-law came down with polio. When my nephew contracted aids.

I would be known as Luis Palau Jr. if it weren't for the fact that God said "no" to my most earnest childhood prayers. Shortly after my tenth birthday, my father, Luis Palau Sr., contracted bronchial pneumonia and died ten days later. Death became, to me, the most undeniable reality under heaven. Everything else can be rationalized and wondered about and discussed, but death is there, staring you in the face. It happens. Even to the most godly people. No matter how hard we pray. Why Because we still live in a fallen world. ...Without a doubt, the death of my father has had more impact on my ministry than anything else in my entire life besides my own conversion to Jesus Christ. My wish and desire is that people get right with God, settle the big question, and die knowing-like my father -that they will be with Jesus, “which is better by far” (Phil. 1:23).

Does that mean we shouldn't bother to pray? Just the opposite. Over the years, traveling throughout the world, I've discovered four other ways God frequently answers prayer. Believe me, he loves to say "yes!"

2. YES, BUT YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT

Immediate answers to prayer: You want them. I want them. But God simply does not always work that way. And to get His best, we must be patient. In some cases, we must wait until the stroke of midnight for His answer to come.

Phil Callaway didn't know what to say when his young children asked if Mommy was going to die. His wife, Ramona, suffered horrible seizures. Hundreds of friends and relatives prayed, but Ramona's weight eventually slipped to 90 pounds. Medical specialists tried everything, but by the fall of 1996, the seizures were occurring daily, sometimes hourly. Phil rarely left Ramona's side. He wondered if she would even make it to her 30th birthday. One evening, when things looked utterly hopeless, Phil paced their dark back yard, then fell to his knees. "God!" he cried out. "I can't take it anymore. Please do something!" Suddenly a doctor's name came to mind. Phil called the doctor, who saw Ramona the next morning and diagnosed a rare chemical deficiency. Within a week, Ramona's seizures ended. Her eyes sparkled again. The miracle was so incredible Phil says, "God gave me back my wife."

“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you” (Matt. 7:7).

3. YES, BUT NOT WHAT YOU EXPECTED

Have you ever asked God to use you? If so, expect the unexpected!

National Football League running back Sherman Smith, the "Sherman Tank," stood six feet four inches tall and packed 225 pounds of the most solid muscle you'd ever want to tackle. His reputation for bowling over defensive linemen raised his celebrity to near-cult status in the Pacific Northwest, where he played for the Seattle Seahawks. Then, without warning, the Seahawks traded their most popular player to the San Diego Chargers. Everything changed overnight for this running back, whose Christian faith was as rock solid as his abs. He wasn't with the Chargers for more than a few weeks when he seriously injured his knee. While in rehabilitation, he wondered, Lord, why did you ship me to San Diego? But while his knee mended, Sherman had the opportunity to lead one of his teammates to the Lord. That converted party-guy, Miles McPherson, has since become an outstanding youth evangelist who reaches tens of thousands of people each year.

Why was Sherman traded to San Diego? God wanted to use him, all right!

"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight" (Prov. 3:5-6).

4. YES, AND HERE'S MORE!

Ever wonder if the Lord really knows what you want and need?

Australian David Smallbone felt God leading him to promote Christian concerts in his homeland where only 5 percent of the people believed in Christ. When too few fans filled seats during one major tour, however, David took a $250,000 bath in red ink. Creditors repossessed his home, and the father of six looked for work elsewhere. A top artist offered him a job in Nashville, so the Smallbones sold their furniture and other possessions and purchased tickets to the United States. A few weeks after they arrived, however, David was informed that his position was "no longer available." He literally could not get out of bed for several days. When he and his wife explained to their children what happened, they all got on their knees and asked God to help them.

Interesting things began to happen. God provided bags of groceries, a minivan, and odd jobs. Then the biggest surprise of all a recording contract for David's oldest daughter, Rebecca, age 15. She recorded her first album using an old family name, St. James.

Flash forward to today. David promotes his own daughter's sold-out concerts. Rebecca St. James has become one of the hottest Christian artists in America. Christianity Today magazine has named her one of the top 50 up-and-coming evangelical leaders under age 40. We love asking her to sing at our evangelistic festivals around the country.

All along -no surprise- God knew what he was doing!

"'For I know the plans I have for you,' declares the Lord, 'plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future'" (Jer. 29:11).

5. YES, I THOUGHT YOU'D NEVER ASK

Many people think prayer is complicated. Actually, the simplest prayer can bring you the miracle you need, when you need it.

After a serious fall, an older gentleman named Luke Mulder prayed to receive Jesus Christ. He then prayed for his wife, Clara, who was visiting her sister in California. That very same day Clara heard a gospel presentation and trusted Christ.

Christian cartoonist Ron Wheeler dreamed of creating evangelistic tracts, but he needed a new computer. He found out what he needed and started to pray. Two weeks later, a friend called Ron out of the blue and offered him a new computer -the exact model Ron had been praying about. Shortly after setting up the computer, Ron received a phone call from American Tract Society asking him to design a whole series of evangelistic cartoon tracts.

My friends Esteban and Carmela Tosoni were driving one of the highest mountain passes in the world when their car broke down. They were 20 miles from the nearest town. The Tosoni family prayed for God to send help. When they opened their eyes, a mechanic appeared out of nowhere, asked if he could help, fixed their gas filter, then departed.

Coincidences? Hardly!
"The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective" (Jas. 5:16).

A Christian Reader original article.
Copyright © 2001 by the author or Christianity Today, Inc./Christian Reader magazine.
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:49 PM
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:56 PM
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People get old and are too weak when hurt seriously.
I agree.
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Old 10-29-2007, 11:15 PM
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I wish I could change the title of this thread.


Why do most of you think that you need a lot of people praying for your healing? The more... the better..., or so they say.

Maybe among a lot of people there's a better chance that God will hear one of them?

Maybe there's someone in the group that can pray the prayer of faith? You know God has His favorites, right?

God, I've pulled all the levers and pushed all the buttons, why haven't you healed me?
Big-larry... I know you knew or knew of my father John A Eckstadt.

His words to us as I was only 13 at the time.

He was terminally ill and the doctors called the family in to let us know we as younger kids needed to say good-bye.

Here are the actual words my Father spoke.

Nathan, I know you fell pain and sorrow. Understand where I come from in all of this....

Son it takes more faith to die than it does to live.

Think about it many folks want to know the Lord has to heal them...

One more day gives them the tangable life.

But to know that in death you are still in Christ....

Is the greatest levels of faith..

Death is not a defeat it is a victory.

We should not sorrow in someone of any level dying in Christ.

We should celebrate their faithfullness to God and his kingdom.

We need to honor them in the dignity and faith by which they lived and died.

Healing is just a miracle, even Lazarus died a second death.

The ultimate moment of redemption is completed when a soul is at rest in Christ at the death of the human body.
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Big-larry... I know you knew or knew of my father John A Eckstadt.

His words to us as I was only 13 at the time.

He was terminally ill and the doctors called the family in to let us know we as younger kids needed to say good-bye.

Here are the actual words my Father spoke.

Nathan, I know you fell pain and sorrow. Understand where I come from in all of this....

Son it takes more faith to die than it does to live.

Think about it many folks want to know the Lord has to heal them...

One more day gives them the tangable life.

But to know that in death you are still in Christ....

Is the greatest levels of faith..

Death is not a defeat it is a victory.

We should not sorrow in someone of any level dying in Christ.

We should celebrate their faithfullness to God and his kingdom.

We need to honor them in the dignity and faith by which they lived and died.

Healing is just a miracle, even Lazarus died a second death.

The ultimate moment of redemption is completed when a soul is at rest in Christ at the death of the human body.
Very touching my friend, and very true.
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His ways are above our ways! His thoughts above our thoughts! He takes counsel of His OWN Will.

Are you really asking this question of God? It seems so. I don't know your true intent, but it has the potential to be a very foolish question. Especially, if you declare yourself to be a student of His Word.

Get a stronger grip on Whom you serve and trust. Job's response is revealing and insightful into a "perfect and upright" man's earthly view of God's "doings." Yet though He slay me...yet will I trust Him. When I cannot feel Him anywhere in my life, I KNOW my redeemer liveth. Job was not prepared to "charge God foolishly."

You can learn from that if you choose to do so. The Lord addressed serious doubts and distrust, not to answer them, but to simply ask that we have faith in His perfect, inerrant judgment. Don't be offended in how God does His business.

Questions about how many people does it take to heal someone all miss the singular Truth about Him. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. He is the Vine and we are the branches.

Please remember, "What is there about this life that makes it more valuable than the world to come?" Your questioning brings to mind the old spiritual...

..."Everybody's talkin' about heav'n...but nobody wants to die."
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I wish I could change the title of this thread.


Why do most of you think that you need a lot of people praying for your healing? The more... the better..., or so they say.

Maybe among a lot of people there's a better chance that God will hear one of them?

Maybe there's someone in the group that can pray the prayer of faith? You know God has His favorites, right?

God, I've pulled all the levers and pushed all the buttons, why haven't you healed me?
Big Larry,
I haven't read through this thread only your first post.So to that I will reply.
Prayer is not a make God do what you want attempt.Prayer is a submission of flesh to the will of God.Its a face to face conversation with Jesus not a session convincing Him to give us our way.Sometimes God says,"no," and I am so glad He does.Imagine what life were like if Jesus gave us everything
we ever uttered in prayer???? There would be alot of cars sitting in my drive way for sure.Praying as Jesus instructed us also included ....thy will be done.
That means acceptance of whatever He decides.
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