The Reason Some Apostolics Are Concerned: The Results of Erased Lines

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I like this one.

Romans 16:17
"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

Obviously being anti-television is one of the most important things in the Apostolic doctrine...

I don't think that's what PP had in mind.................

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

Obviously being anti-television is one of the most important things in the Apostolic doctrine...

Originally Posted by RevDWW

I don't think that's what PP had in mind.................

I think it speaks more generally to the thread, the idea that the PAW is somehow apostate because they are once again fellowshipping (or at least considering to fellowship) Trinitarians.

The cry was made that "we" need to "wake up." Wake up to what? That the PAW appears to actually be going back to its roots and operating like "the greatest doctrinal preachers I've ever heard?"

Originally Posted by RevDWW

I don't think that's what PP had in mind.................

I wasn't thinking of PP... I was thinking of all the wizened, esteemed men of God, who through their actions believe that being anti-television is more important than anything else in their identity... including oneness and speaking in tongues...

I don't recall any resolution about oneness or speaking in tongues... just the one about television... so if you read between the lines, it is more important to them than the things that they STILL have in common with the organization.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

I wasn't thinking of PP... I was thinking of all the wizened, esteemed men of God, who through their actions believe that being anti-television is more important than anything else in their identity... including oneness and speaking in tongues...

I don't recall any resolution about oneness or speaking in tongues... just the one about television... so if you read between the lines, it is more important to them than the things that they STILL have in common with the organization.

At the risk of being associated with you (TIC), I would have to agree that you make a valid argument.

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

I wasn't thinking of PP... I was thinking of all the wizened, esteemed men of God, who through their actions believe that being anti-television is more important than anything else in their identity... including oneness and speaking in tongues...

I don't recall any resolution about oneness or speaking in tongues... just the one about television... so if you read between the lines, it is more important to them than the things that they STILL have in common with the organization.

In 29 years of Apostolic ministry I've never met ONE person such as you describe.

As for the subject of the thread... I started it. Had nothing to do with television except that I spoke about all the talk about UPC, PAW, Resolution 4 and a mass of other things.

The premise of this thread was, is and should have remained that there are situations - such as what we just viewed with the PAW - that cause concern for Apostolics. Those concerned with the direction of the movement as a whole don't want to end up someday digressing to the point of voting to accept trinitarians.

Frankly, those that can't see that it's not a TV issue - but a conglomerate of various issues - evidently don't want to see it.

Do you deny that the catalyst for your title, "the reason some Apostolics are concerned" has to do with Resolution 4? Or that the "Erased line" has anything to do with the UPC changing their stance on television? (even given that the subject in the original post is the PAW... it is being used as an example as to what may happen now that a "certain" line has been erased.

[RevDWW]

The foundation of the Apostles and prophets, Jesus being the Chief Corner Stone is firm and unmovable. If you are built on it you should not be shaking. If walls and doors and window are added to the foundation that don't meet the owners specs then watch out, cause something is liable to come loose and fall.

Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire

Could it be because our lines have been drawn in the sand of time instead of etched in The Stone of eternity?

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

Do you deny that the catalyst for your title, "the reason some Apostolics are concerned" has to do with Resolution 4? Or that the "Erased line" has anything to do with the UPC changing their stance on television?

A) "The reason some Apostolics are concerned" = Erase enough lines and this is where we'll end up.

B) "The results of Erased Lines" = PAW has been erasing lines for years and now it's caught up with them.

The TV issue was settled for me LONG before Resolution 4 and - again - it seems to be FAR more important for everyone else than it does some of us that aren't buying into the whole TV deal.

FACT: I didn't say "The reason some UPC people are concerned". It was the UPC and the UPC only that had a resolution 4 at their conference. I said "The Reason that Some Apostolics are Concerned."

I probably preach as much out of the UPC as I do in the UPC. I know Apostolics who are...
* Independant
* UPC
* ALJC
* PAW
* COOLJC
... and various other organizations that are concerned with the direction of the Apostolic movement. So far as I know the TV issue affected only the UPC.

Hate to disappoint everyone but, no, the impetus for this thread was not another spinoff of the TV issue.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

Hate to disappoint everyone but, no, the impetus for this thread was not another spinoff of the TV issue.

And that's not a bad thang, either!

Do you think that getting back to the principals of Christ and His doctrine, sans what some perceive as a harshness about standards is what is in order?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

A) "The reason some Apostolics are concerned" = Erase enough lines and this is where we'll end up.

B) "The results of Erased Lines" = PAW has been erasing lines for years and now it's caught up with them.

The TV issue was settled for me LONG before Resolution 4 and - again - it seems to be FAR more important for everyone else than it does some of us that aren't buying into the whole TV deal.

FACT: I didn't say "The reason some UPC people are concerned". It was the UPC and the UPC only that had a resolution 4 at their conference. I said "The Reason that Some Apostolics are Concerned."

I probably preach as much out of the UPC as I do in the UPC. I know Apostolics who are...
* Independant
* UPC
* ALJC
* PAW
* COOLJC
... and various other organizations that are concerned with the direction of the Apostolic movement. So far as I know the TV issue affected only the UPC.

Hate to disappoint everyone but, no, the impetus for this thread was not another spinoff of the TV issue.

Hmm... yet you must use "TV" terminology to express that? j/k

What do you think of the idea that the PAW is actually moving back toward where they came from? They started out as Trinirarian Pentecostals, became OP's who freely and openly fellowshipped with Trintitarian brethren; but then slowly became isolated from "Christendom" as a whole.

Some regret that isolation today and want to move things back to the way it was in GT Haywood's day. How is that "erasing lines," so to speak? The lines being erased are newer innovations.