*BREAKING*Tulsa gathering beginning to unravel!

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Some have been predicting this kind of separation for a number of years now.

However, I believe that whatever happens and whatever develops will not have the strength of the original merger and what developed from that; namely, the UPCI.

It will be interesting to see what happens. What is built on the Rock will stand. What is built on 'sand' will be less than secure or stable for sure.

There are divine moves of God that fit into his overall will and purpose. I totally and fully believe in the sovereignty of God. Nothing happens except by and according to His design and plan that was set in motion before time began.

So it could be that this new Tulsa thing could be part of God's plan to achieve some end or purpose that you and I aren't fully aware of at this point. OR ... it might could be the will and plan of a group of men motivated by less than pure motive and unction of the Holy Ghost.

Now, Sis, THIS is the insight that is needed here in this thread. Exactly, this fellowship could be a tool to be used by God for some purpose. The UPCI has gone through several phases since its inception and is not exactly what it was when it was formed.

Is the opposite possible? Possibly but there has been plenty of conjecture that this is the case and so the point you mentioned above should get more press. Sadly, here, I don't think it will.

[LordChocolate]

Originally Posted by Kings Kid

Its coming apart at the the seams because of the deceit. Because the ultra cons want to keep things old school.

These cats are not ultra cons by a LONG shot. Most of them are not even cons

[Elizabeth]

Can someone clarify as why a name of a minister(or minsters') would be used to endorse a group without the minister's knowledge??

[Carpenter]

I am disappointed because I was thinking the Tulsa movement is exactly what the UPC needs.

I hope they get it worked out and doesn't end up like Donald Trump's USFL.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

I am disappointed because I was thinking the Tulsa movement is exactly what the UPC needs.

I hope they get it worked out and doesn't end up like Donald Trump's USFL.

Exactly what the UPC needs?? Why is that ?

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Thad

Exactly what the UPC needs?? Why is that ?

Thad, you know as well as I that the U in the UPC is anything but United. If the Tulsa movement leads to stability, union, continuity on both sides of the spectrum, why not yearn for it? I think the UPC is ripe and ready for a shakeup in order to move forward and become more stable.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Thad, you know as well as I that the U in the UPC is anything but United. If the Tulsa movement leads to stability, union, continuity on both sides of the spectrum, why not yearn for it? I think the UPC is ripe and ready for a shakeup in order to move forward and become more stable.

Good thoughts.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Thad, you know as well as I that the U in the UPC is anything but United. If the Tulsa movement leads to stability, union, continuity on both sides of the spectrum, why not yearn for it? I think the UPC is ripe and ready for a shakeup in order to move forward and become more stable.

I agree, however the Tulsa group don't really appear to represent that "UC" block. At least the list of names in both Councils cover almost as broad a spectrum as the UPC itself.

So what's the motive? it's not like the TV issue has split the org, nor holiness standards.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

Can someone clarify as why a name of a minister(or minsters') would be used to endorse a group without the minister's knowledge??

It's possible that these individual ministers are getting such negative feed back that they are "changing their tune" and arguing that they really weren't in this afterall. I think the spirit of division, secrecy, and lies is playing games with these brethren. They're so focused on television they've allowed the enemy to play a different game with them entirely.

[deadeye]

Do any of you have any proof, or documentation for these accusations, or are you just engaging in more talebearing and gossip.

Oh, wait this is Thads Tab...thats all that goes on here.