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Old 01-19-2008, 12:54 AM
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Then DO SOMETHING about it!!!

STOP COMPLAINING and PRAY!!!! for leaders, saints, the lost.

God is big enough and great enough and powerful enough to do whatever we can believe Him to do!!


PP, Propose a solution. Provide an answer.
Admitting there is a problem is half of the solution.

But people get so touchy... and cannot admit there are problems.

IMHO - the biggest problem is the judgment and condemnation.
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Old 01-19-2008, 01:03 AM
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The biggest problem in the "Oneness Movement" is that the Godhead is the only thing we are "one" in... Dis-unity reigns in just about everything else...
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Old 01-19-2008, 02:40 AM
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We have a Pattern problem.

Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
Heb 8:5 (KJV)

Jesus established a pattern for us to follow...

But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. 43 But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: 44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all. 45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Mark 10:42-45 (KJV)

This is an old problem, even dealt with in the Old Testament...

But the former governors that had been before me were chargeable unto the people, and had taken of them bread and wine, beside forty shekels of silver; yea, even their servants bare rule over the people: but so did not I, because of the fear of God.
Neh 5:15 (KJV)

Whenever someone is trying to be in charge over others, their motive and the pattern of their efforts reflects this error, and the result is a ceasing of the ministery flow.

Whenever someone is trying to help others, they are often willing to suffer more that others might be eased, to give more that others might have less of as burden, and if they become very successful, they will become like their Lord, who laid down His very life for others. The result is an overflowing and outflowing of loving ministry.

This was the greatness of John the Baptist, as he exceeded all the prophets in understanding and accepting that the will of God was for him to decrease.

He must increase, but I must decrease.
John 3:30 (KJV)

Much of the structure, the offices, and the bylaws were designed on a false idea, that truth needed protecting, as though truth is weak, but the opposite is true. The structure, the offices, and the bylaws are not the pattern Jesus established.

It's a pattern problem.
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Pornography, both in the pew and behind the pulpit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*I know that the study was across denominal lines, but oneness is a percentage of that huge number*
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We follow and idolize our leaders more than we listen to and follow the Holy Ghost.
Is this possibly the outcropping from men making disciples unto themselves?

The word of God bares witness that ..."For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."

What we are following is what we are led by.
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I think the number one problem is that so many really believe that they have ALL the truth! There is nothing left to be learned. They have the PERFECT TRUTH. Anything different is considered backslidden!

If you have a different opinion, you are no longer in the truth. You have slipped down the slope into the sea of liberalism!

This is why the Oneness movement will always be fragmented! It's sad, really!
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I think the number one problem is that [B]so many really believe that they have ALL the truth![/B] There is nothing left to be learned. They have the PERFECT TRUTH. Anything different is considered backslidden!

If you have a different opinion, you are no longer in the truth. You have slipped down the slope into the sea of liberalism!

This is why the Oneness movement will always be fragmented! It's sad, really!
No PM, that's not the problem with Penteostals in general..just with Ultra Cons.
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No PM, that's not the problem with Penteostals in general..just with Ultra Cons.
I can agree with that! The UCs tend to be wall builders by nature!
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No PM, that's not the problem with Penteostals in general..just with Ultra Cons.
Don't you see by saying this you have made yourself the judge and arbiter of what is true?
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I can agree with that! The UCs tend to be wall builders by nature!
I'm not a UC but are they building walls to keep folks out or building bridges to bring folks into greater light? It all depends on your perspective.

The important thing is to share the truth in love whatever you consider truth to be.
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