CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay church

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Let's see: We began by judging the homeosexuals, to CeCe Winanas, to judging where and who people minister to. Can we think of anyone else we'd like to judge before we rule and reign with Christ in the New Jerusalem?

Amazing...saying they need to repent makes us judges...

Nobody judged CeCe either. We agreed she should not go there. In fact some of the ones that said that agreed she is anointed and filled with the Spirit.

Rhoni, with all due respect, but you don't have a clue what the word "judge" means if you think it covers having an opinion that she should not go worship with Christian gays that have openly rejected the bible call to repent of that lifestyle and

Finally...judgment?

1Pe 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

1Co 5:1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father's wife.
1Co 5:2 And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.
1Co 5:3 For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing.

1Jn 5:16 If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life--to those who commit sins that do not lead to death. There is sin that leads to death; I do not say that one should pray for that.
1Jn 5:17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that does not lead to death.

The bible is full of judging

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
In fact Jesus said
Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

We are to try the spirits Rhoni. It's not wrong.

[SoCaliUPC]

Can someone say if this is a regular service for these people...or is she just renting the building for a concert?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Let's see: We began by judging the homeosexuals, to CeCe Winanas, to judging where and who people minister to. Can we think of anyone else we'd like to judge before we rule and reign with Christ in the New Jerusalem?

Oh brother. Now we're "judging".
*sigh* So now we cant speak against anymore, because we'll be accused of judging.

I had a feeling that that was coming....it would only be a matter of time.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Oh brother. Now we're "judging".
*sigh* So now we cant speak against anymore, because we'll be accused of judging.

I had a feeling that that was coming....it would only be a matter of time.

I think the issue is standing in judgment of CeCe's heart. She may be personally opposed to homosexuality, but felt that it might afford her an opportunity to help or witness to a friend or friends.

Homosexuality is a sin. The statement isn't judging. But when we zero in and make it personal, assuming things about an individual we're on the edge of being judgmental at best.

[MissBrattified]

Is there a difference between singing to sinners, and singing in a church that endorses sin?

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Is there a difference between singing to sinners, and singing in a church that endorses sin?

Wouldn't the church that endorses sin have sinners in attendance?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

Wouldn't the church that endorses sin have sinners in attendance?

Chosen, the difference is that, unless the Gospel is going to be proclaimed, what good is it doing the sinners?

I think you are being very shortsighted. In my opinion, it is unproductive at best, and at worst, it defies the scripture that says we are not to fellowship with believers who have turned back to sin.

I believe that scripture applies here, because we aren't talking about brothers and sisters who have simply messed up or fallen down, we're talking about people who are embracing sin, in the name of the Lord.

I would certainly think that ministering in a church with homosexuals present is wonderful! But ministering in a church that tells those homosexuals they are saved and alright with God? To me, that is apostasy, and I would want no part in it.

That would be like singing for a special event in a church that supports a swinging lifestyle or approves of incest.

Christ came to save sinners, but He rebuked hypocrites and pharisees, and if anyone qualifies as a hypocrite and pharisee, it is someone who professes Christ with their mouth, but continues in sin freely and without conviction or condemnation.

[Praxeas]

This is not an evangelistic meeting. This is a concert CeCe is giving for this church that says God is ok with gay sex. If there is any alter call it will be by the gay pastor for gays to come forward and accept Jesus and NOT change their lifestyle

[mfblume]

I agree that the Winans should have a bit of discernment and not allow gays to think their sin is okayed. The Winans were wrong, period. Just because a door of opportunity is opened, it does not mean it was God who did it. All things God does must line up with His Word, or He is not doing it. And unless they somehow got the message out that God is not pleased with homosexuality, or are making inroads to achieve that goal eventually, somehow, they either did not do the will of God, or God never opened the door for them to begin with.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I agree that the Winans should have a bit of discernment and not allow gays to think their sin is okayed. The Winans were wrong, period. Just because a door of opportunity is opened, it does not mean it was God who did it. All things God does must line up with His Word, or He is not doing it. And unless they somehow got the message out that God is not pleased with homosexuality, or are making inroads to achieve that goal eventually, somehow, they either did not do the will of God, or God never opened the door for them to begin with.

Amen. Perhaps Satan opened the door so that CeCe, who has a big heart, would walk through it. Satan was probably banking on the fact that so many would tear her down for it. If one is touching hearts for Christ and Satan can't destroy their ministry...he'll find a way to get us to destroy it for him.

I'd just privately share with CeCe that it might be unwise to do that again.