That my friend is very well how it would be interpreted by many folks, black and white alike.
Yes, 1399, but enough is enough. How many years and how much money do they need to move on? What would be enough? Nothing is ever going to be enough when it's dwelt on forever.
The whole thing that rips about this topic and thread is: IF Hillary's Pastor for 20 years said anything thing like this Black pastor; there would riots in the streets, Jessie Jackson , Al Sharpton and the NAACP all over the News demanding that the Hillary be pulled from the Presidential Race.
I'm not sure that would be true...in your hypothetical is Hillary's pastor white or black?
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I think Obama is attempting Damage Control. He had to have known what his own Pastor believed and preached. Him denying it makes me really wonder about the man....either he is lying or he just calls this his church in order to say he is a Christian (but never attends really).
And yes that is enough to make me not want to vote for him. Ok McCain had an affair...so far we just don't know if Obama did or not, but there is enough going on as it is to not trust him.
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You may be right. But until there is more dialogue and honest to goodness racial reconciliation, people like Sharpton and Jackson will be able to get away with doing stuff like that-- leaving you with a bitter experience too. This racial reconciliation stuff will bring healing to everyone, when everyone becomes a contributer to the healing.
Have you ever heard Bill Cosby speak about racial issues?
He has a brilliant mind. I've always loved the man. He has such a way with people, regardless of their race or his.
But the way he speaks about racial issues is a no nonsense approach. He calls for personal responsibility in his community and to quit playing the blame game.
I hope for the day we can all live in peace together, but I feel that we are still far from it in many areas. Some areas may never see it.
I have a funny story to tell you. Most of my mom's family, who are white, lived in a couple cities that are centered inside a river running through the mountains. To this day (I believe, but I know it was this way when I was a teen), black people can live in the city at the foot of the mountain, but not the one on the mountain.
In the days before indoor plumbing, my ancestors, as well as the other city folks, had to have their 'pots' emptied. There was a poor old black man that would go around the city, collecting pots and emptying them. He was to be paid, but most people wouldn't pay.
He continued picked up their pots anyway. He did so for several years.
It was years later that they found out that he had the last laugh.
He was dumping their pots in their drinking supply.
Going back to the above, there are places that will never see an end to the strife. I believe one of those places is Memphis. Another place is southern Illinois (the KKK is alive and well there).
The sad thing is, the problem is on both sides. Neither side wants to let go.
But I don't believe that change will come in an instant either. It will take one at a time.
What kind of country would this be if we took responsibility for just one other person?
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I’m going to translate what my brother is actually saying, though he doesn’t realize it and never even intend it:
I won’t speak words admitting to my ancestor’s abuse of entire races of people.
I won’t express any sorrow for their actions.
I won’t be concerned with any wrong that cannot be traced back to me personally.
I am not responsible for speaking words of healing to the hurt my ancestors inflected.
I’m not racist, why should I even care about the pain and residual effect of 400 years of bondage on another human being?
I don’t understand why you so adamantly believe our words can heal by expressing sorrows for our ancestor’s wrongs committed against others.
It’s your job to try to heal the hurt. I’ll focus upon my own life and concerns.
I’m going to ignore that it happened, ignore how wrong it was, ignore any residual effect on the hearts minds and souls of these previously dehumanized people groups.
My brother didn’t say these things…BUT…he doesn’t realize that this is how he can be interpreted when he says what he does say.
You... brother of mine... are evil surmising upon the heart and mind of a child of your God and King.
I will not have my words interpreted by another persons internal struggles.
It has been my experience that many white Apostolics have a lot of racial ignorance to overcome-- but it could be where I have lived. For example, the white Apostolics in, say, Alabama, don't have nearly as much racial ignorance issues as the ones here in Baltimore, MD. Different population mix, different experiences. However, I have spent all of my adult life living in the South, when living in the States.
While I agree with the point made, I don't think it has anything to do with being Apostolic as much as it has to do with other factors, like race and beliefs.
I'm sure that the white Apostolics in Baltimore don't feel any differently about the issue than the white Methodists or white Catholics in Baltimore...but then again, I've never ever visited there, let alone lived there.
I just think it's wrong to lump being Apostolic into it when that might not have anything to do with it.
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And let's also realize that most of those people were white men. Some of them were black, some Indian, some hispanic.
Let's also understand that of all the slave owners, over 3000 of them were black.
I'm not sure when it turned into a racial thing. Perhaps it was that way from the beginning, or maybe it turned that way later on. I don't know.
You are right, Feerd. The wrongs were real, but reality needs to be realized.
H1, by and large slavery in 1865 was a race issue. sure you can point to any number of exceptions to the rule. but that does NOT disprove the rule.
Slavery was a race issue. When slavery ended, free blacks where met with suspision, fear, rage and violence... because they were black. There blackness was the distinguishing feature.
while a very small number of people owned slaves the entirety of the United States of America, before the war, allowed black slavery to exist.
The founding fathers knew that the great hole in the American experiment was slavery. they knew that his was one of the major problems and many held their breaths waiting for the time when it would break the Union.
Andrew Jackson spent his entire political carreer trying to put off the collision over the issue of slavery.
This is part of the problem
White people try to downplay the reality of racism in America and it seems at least in some quarters, some African Americans are trying to down play the gains that have been made in the last 40 years.
We talk past each other, never giving ear to the reality of each's experience.
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