FOX Lies!! Barack Obama Pastor Wright

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

It is written,

“But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but
whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to
him the other also. . . . Love your enemies, bless them
that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and
pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute
you” (Matthew 5:39, 44)

“Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they
that take the sword shall perish with the sword” (Matthew
26:52)

“And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying,
And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do
violence to no man” (Luke 3:14)

“For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war
after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are
not carnal)” (II Corinthians 10:3-4)

“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood”
(Ephesians 6:12)

“Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he
doth not resist you” (James 5:6)

"And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:" (1 Cor 4:12)

"Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing." (1 Pet 3:9)

"Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence." (John 18:36)

"And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep." (Acts 7:59-60)

"But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood." (Acts 15:20)

"That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." (Acts 15:29)

"17Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
18If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
19Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord." (Romans 12:17-19)

"11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law." (James 2:11)

" 18Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.
19For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
20For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
21For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:" (I Peter 2:18-21)

"15But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters." (I Peter 4:15)

"And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?" (Revelation 6:10)

"10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints." (Revelation 13:10)

"Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her." (Revelation 18:20)

"For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand." (Revelation 19:2)

Lastly consider the lives and martyrdom of the Apostles. Where do you see them using or advocating lethal force to defend themselves or Rome?

The Scriptural and historical evidence of the New Testament position against the use of lethal force is overwhelming. This doesn't mean we do nothing. It means we do what is necessary accept using lethal force. We don't kill.

Thanks for posting this, CH! We may not agree completely on the drawn conclusions, but I certainly find scripture to be more persuasive than writings by any man.

[ChristopherHall]

Chosenbyone, you still there?

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Chosenbyone, you still there?

CH,

Sorry, you have had to carry this thread and the fight solo today. I had to go downtown, so I have been out most of the day. I was skimming through the last few pages and I wanted to tell you that you have made some very good arguments. Plus, you really held your ground with RD. You did that skillfully while having to contend with three or more other combatants.

I will go back and comment on a few of your posts.

CB1

All for one and one for all!!!

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

CH,

Sorry, you have had to carry this thread and the fight solo today. I had to go downtown, so I have been out most of the day. I was skimming through the last few pages and I wanted to tell you that you have made some very good arguments. Plus, you really held your ground with RD. You did that skillfully while having to contend with three or more other combatants.

I will go back and comment on a few of your posts.

CB1

All for one and one for all!!!

Thank you, to God be the glory. You're such a blessing Chosenbyone.

[BrotherEastman]

I have a question. If the atomic bombs were dropped in 1945 on both Hiroshima, and Nagasaki; then why would God punish this generation of Americans for what the previous generation had done? If it were so wrong, I believe that God would've judged that generation, not this one. What proof does JW have that the previous generation was or wasn't judged? Of course, this question applies to anyone who can answer it, but I'd really like to see Chris answer.

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

I have a question. If the atomic bombs were dropped in 1945 on both Hiroshima, and Nagasaki; then why would God punish this generation of Americans for what the previous generation had done? If it were so wrong, I believe that God would've judged that generation, not this one. What proof does JW have that the previous generation was or wasn't judged? Of course, this question applies to anyone who can answer it, but I'd really like to see Chris answer.

well bro e, it will be interesting to see what he says, but no that is not what is happening, god is not punishing this generateion for some persons irrational thinking, lol,dt

[Rico]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

I have a question. If the atomic bombs were dropped in 1945 on both Hiroshima, and Nagasaki; then why would God punish this generation of Americans for what the previous generation had done? If it were so wrong, I believe that God would've judged that generation, not this one. What proof does JW have that the previous generation was or wasn't judged? Of course, this question applies to anyone who can answer it, but I'd really like to see Chris answer.

Brother, you are forgetting that God is a long suffering God, especially when it comes to nations.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

I have a question. If the atomic bombs were dropped in 1945 on both Hiroshima, and Nagasaki; then why would God punish this generation of Americans for what the previous generation had done? If it were so wrong, I believe that God would've judged that generation, not this one. What proof does JW have that the previous generation was or wasn't judged? Of course, this question applies to anyone who can answer it, but I'd really like to see Chris answer.

Easty, God punishes nations when "their cup of iniquity" is full. (see Amaleck)

I do believe that the Civil War was the judgement of God on America for the sin of slavery, remember that it was not the founding fathers generation(s) that suffered. the Civil war started 89 years after the Declaration of Independence.

So in part one must agree that the generation that sins isnt always the one that is punished. God allows time for the cup to be emptied in repentance or filled before he decides to forgo judgement or execute it on a nation.

But also understand that when God punishes a nation, it is total. Anyone who thinks 9/11 was Gods judgement has a small opinion of the Judgement of God.

Compair the loss of 3,000 on 9/11 to OT judement. Amaleck was distroyed in total. God said kill their men, women, children, sheep, goats, cows, and everything that lives. Israel and Judah were sent into slavery.

If one believes as I do that the Civil War was the judgement of God on America, consider that more Americans were killed/died from that war than in all the other wars we have fought combined!

Consider also that if Bombing Japan was a "sin" in Gods eyes, and sistimic/institutionalized racism that existed in America until the 1960's was a sin in Gods eyes, then it stands to reason that God in his grace gives a nation to repent.

Consider the shifting attitudes of Americans toward wholesale war, that in Iraq, we do not bomb civilian populations (turning a different direction from the past).

Consider the landmark legal decisions of the supreme court overturning institutionalized racism (sperate but equal), the vast amount of law that has been passed to counter racism. Consider that while we still have predjudice/racism today (read Rico's thread, it is brilliant), we are nowhere near as bad as we were in 1940 or even in 1980.

If God provides time for a nation to turn, then this nation has in many ways either done so or is doing so. And thus must be seen by God as worthy of more time.

Clearly then 9/11 cannot be the judement of God.

but that's just my 2 cents.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Easty, God punishes nations when "their cup of iniquity" is full. (see Amaleck)

I do believe that the Civil War was the judgement of God on America for the sin of slavery, remember that it was not the founding fathers generation(s) that suffered. the Civil war started 89 years after the Declaration of Independence.

So in part one must agree that the generation that sins isnt always the one that is punished. God allows time for the cup to be emptied in repentance or filled before he decides to forgo judgement or execute it on a nation.

But also understand that when God punishes a nation, it is total. Anyone who thinks 9/11 was Gods judgement has a small opinion of the Judgement of God.

Compair the loss of 3,000 on 9/11 to OT judement. Amaleck was distroyed in total. God said kill their men, women, children, sheep, goats, cows, and everything that lives. Israel and Judah were sent into slavery.

If one believes as I do that the Civil War was the judgement of God on America, consider that more Americans were killed/died from that war than in all the other wars we have fought combined!

Consider also that if Bombing Japan was a "sin" in Gods eyes, and sistimic/institutionalized racism that existed in America until the 1960's was a sin in Gods eyes, then it stands to reason that God in his grace gives a nation to repent.

Consider the shifting attitudes of Americans toward wholesale war, that in Iraq, we do not bomb civilian populations (turning a different direction from the past).

Consider the landmark legal decisions of the supreme court overturning institutionalized racism (sperate but equal), the vast amount of law that has been passed to counter racism. Consider that while we still have predjudice/racism today (read Rico's thread, it is brilliant), we are nowhere near as bad as we were in 1940 or even in 1980.

If God provides time for a nation to turn, then this nation has in many ways either done so or is doing so. And thus must be seen by God as worthy of more time.

Clearly then 9/11 cannot be the judement of God.

but that's just my 2 cents.

Sounds good Ferd; however, Gods judgement would have to fall fairly. Blood was spilled on innocent lives in order for the slaves to be freed. In keeping with the idea that God is just, why would innocent lives have to die for innocent men to be set free? That doesn't sound like God's wrath. Do you suppose that Christians are going to be killed because of God's wrath?

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Easty, God punishes nations when "their cup of iniquity" is full. (see Amaleck)

I do believe that the Civil War was the judgement of God on America for the sin of slavery, remember that it was not the founding fathers generation(s) that suffered. the Civil war started 89 years after the Declaration of Independence.

So in part one must agree that the generation that sins isnt always the one that is punished. God allows time for the cup to be emptied in repentance or filled before he decides to forgo judgement or execute it on a nation.

But also understand that when God punishes a nation, it is total. Anyone who thinks 9/11 was Gods judgement has a small opinion of the Judgement of God.

Compair the loss of 3,000 on 9/11 to OT judement. Amaleck was distroyed in total. God said kill their men, women, children, sheep, goats, cows, and everything that lives. Israel and Judah were sent into slavery.

If one believes as I do that the Civil War was the judgement of God on America, consider that more Americans were killed/died from that war than in all the other wars we have fought combined!

Consider also that if Bombing Japan was a "sin" in Gods eyes, and sistimic/institutionalized racism that existed in America until the 1960's was a sin in Gods eyes, then it stands to reason that God in his grace gives a nation to repent.

Consider the shifting attitudes of Americans toward wholesale war, that in Iraq, we do not bomb civilian populations (turning a different direction from the past).

Consider the landmark legal decisions of the supreme court overturning institutionalized racism (sperate but equal), the vast amount of law that has been passed to counter racism. Consider that while we still have predjudice/racism today (read Rico's thread, it is brilliant), we are nowhere near as bad as we were in 1940 or even in 1980.

If God provides time for a nation to turn, then this nation has in many ways either done so or is doing so. And thus must be seen by God as worthy of more time.

Clearly then 9/11 cannot be the judement of God.

but that's just my 2 cents.

I read what you said in Bro. Eastman's response and wanted to say that you have presented good points.

But what are your thoughts on this....

I don't believe that 9/11 was "THE judgment of God" per se but rather God removing his hand of protection from us in an effort to reveal our vulnerability as a warning. It may serve as the first domino in God's over all purpose to judge our nation seeing that it has expanded into a global war that has left us even more enemies than before and created a government prone to domestic spying and the violation of even more civil liberties. I feel in my spirit that 9/11 was only the beginning of a story that could end with America calling for international aid after a strategic terrorist counter strike using weapons we pray they never acquire if we don't reach her with the Gospel.

9/11 may not seem like the judgment of God if viewed all by itself. However, when all is said and done and it is viewed in the context of the greater struggle unfolding...it may prove to having been the beginning of the end of the United States.

P.S.
It should be noted that we still have the majority of the last generation living that witnessed the unveiling of the American Government's abominable actions involving the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment. We may find at least some of the acts mentioned in Jeremiah's condemnation included in God's testimony against America should His judgment fall upon this generation of Americans. I can't see God ignoring such a heinous crime against human beings.