Bishop G E Patterson - fussing thread (see other thread for nice things)

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Sir ... can someone be saved ... prior to completeing THE 3 SEQUENTIAL STEPS ... let's say because their life is cut short? This has been our perennial question .... hasn't it???

NO
James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.


1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Colossians 3:17
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by slave4him

NO
James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.


1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Colossians 3:17
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

What about Anna Nicole??????????????????????????????

[SDG]

Sometimes I wonder whose fruit we're talking about ... whose fruit is on display? ... our interpretations of scripture and doctrine ... or HIS FRUIT ....


We are just branches .... He is the Vine. Bishop Patterson displayed His fruit because he received His Spirit ....

Originally Posted by Thad

The Greatest Leader since their founder, Bishop Mason, Bishop GE Patterson Passed away today.

I really enjoyed his music, visiting his church and even his preaching

But why are there soooooooooooo many COGIC churches (most of them storefront) in Buffalo?

[Thad]

Originally Posted by Chan

But why are there soooooooooooo many COGIC churches (most of them storefront) in Buffalo?

that is COGIC for you! There's a joke that COGIC has 6 million members, with 3 million churches with 2 members in each one.

There are a couple of Big COGIC churches in your area.
"Prince Of Peace Tabernacle COGIC" . I remember their choir recorded an abulm years back with a famous artist (can't remmber the name). there is also a Very large and Prominant COGIC in your area but i cannot think of the name of it right now- they have a nice sanctuary.


Rumor has it that they may televise the funeral of GE Patterson on either TBN or word network ? don't know for sure but that's what's flying around.

also did you hear that ABC Did a special last night on speaking in tongues?
I wonder if they put it down, mocked it or what ? anyone know?

[SDG]

Your question, Elder, is like .... saying can anyone be saved outside of ....

Matt 22:36-40
36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
37 Jesus said to him," 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'

or any other commandment????

[Old Paths]

It would seem the way some present it, that the God of the Old Testament is NOT the God of the New Testament.

The OT is full of prophets declaring the judgments of God on unbelieving heathens. God would send fire or the sword of Israel to kill young and old. WHY? Simply because they had the misfortune of not being born in Israel and worshiped another God other than the God of Israel. The God that had declared that he was ONE (Deut. 6:4).

And along comes the NT and God evidently according to the libs, changes his mind.

It doesn't matter if you believe in a multiplicity of gods. It doesn't really matter if you believe that God is a made up of multiple persons. Follow the mother of harlots in her propagating of the false trinity. God doesn't care. God doesn't expect you to really search the Scripture about the Godhead. Just be Happy! Love everyone. Kiss all the babies and God will let you into his kingdom.

Above everything DO NOT teach there is just one way to be saved (Acts 2:38) because that is for the ignorant, narrow minded and just too harsh.

TIC

Besides it offends liberals and trinitarian sympathizers.

[SDG]

You guys are having way too much fun ... can I join ?????

I love the jump through hoops Gospel ... some espouse. Let's make it virtually impossible to be saved and if you think you are then there's got be something you're hiding or not doing ...

Can someone be saved outside of obeying ???

Ephesians 6:4
4Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.

or

Matthew 7:1, "Judge not that ye be not judged."

or

James 2

8If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself,"[a] you are doing right. 9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11For he who said, "Do not commit adultery,"[b] also said, "Do not murder."[c] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!
Faith and Deeds
14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

Is not all of God's Word necessary for our salvation??

A great Apostolic once said:

I have a little problem with more faith being put in a specific verse that in the Saviour who's life inspired the need for the verse.
Reciting Acts 2:38 is not a magical incantation that removes all sin.

Acts 2:38 is NOT the gospel message.
Acts 2:38 is not THE saving message.

The saving message is laced throughout the synoptic gospels.
It is the message of Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection.

What HE did is what saves the world. Acts 2:38 is merely the proper response to his saving action.
It is fitting, and proper, that we place due prominence on the Saviour.

WHEN this happens, in the heart of every new believer, love for the God of the Gospel message will cause a truly repentant sinner to be baptized in Jesus' name. Subsequently, the promise of the Holy Ghost awaits every new believer.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You guys are having way too much fun ... can I join ?????

I love the jump through hoops Gospel ... some espouse. Let's make it virtually impossible to be saved and if you think you are then there's got be something you're hiding or not doing ...

Can someone be saved outside of obeying ???

Ephesians 6:4
4Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.

or

Matthew 7:1, "Judge not that ye be not judged."

or

James 2

8If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself,"[a] you are doing right. 9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11For he who said, "Do not commit adultery,"[b] also said, "Do not murder."[c] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!
Faith and Deeds
14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

Is not all of God's Word necessary for our salvation??

A great Apostolic once said:

I find your post judgmental God understands if we refuse to obey what he has said it is no big deal. Except ye repent ye shall all likewise perish however God knows you intended to repent so no biggie. Jesus is Santa Claus naughty or not you will NOT get a bundle of switches. Quoting scripture could be seen as being judgmental so please refrain lest the weak be discouraged how will we win them quoting the Bible?????? Try Schuller or Osteen now there are two non-judgmental folks.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You guys are having way too much fun ... can I join ?????

I love the jump through hoops Gospel ... some espouse. Let's make it virtually impossible to be saved and if you think you are then there's got be something you're hiding or not doing ...

Can someone be saved outside of obeying ???

Ephesians 6:4
4Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.

or

Matthew 7:1, "Judge not that ye be not judged."

or

James 2

8If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself,"[a] you are doing right. 9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11For he who said, "Do not commit adultery,"[b] also said, "Do not murder."[c] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!
Faith and Deeds
14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

Is not all of God's Word necessary for our salvation??

A great Apostolic once said:

Bro, without the proper response to the gospel, there will be no salvation, because the believer has accepted a response that is not biblical.

Its like attempting to drive from TN to FL, and using I-40 in that attempt. You will never arrive at your desired destination unless you go the right way.