Will those that leave standards be lost?

[LaVonne]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

I've heard it put this way by a man far my better: Standards are not the bridge to salvation, The Gospel message summed up in Acts 2:38 is. But standards can make good guard rails. [Weaver Paraphrase]

That's great...I'm going to write that down!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

I've heard it put this way by a man far my better: Standards are not the bridge to salvation, The Gospel message summed up in Acts 2:38 is. But standards can make good guard rails. [Weaver Paraphrase]

I can deal with this too - some folks need the rails to keep them from falling off while others can drive right down the middle.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

EggZactly MOW..that's what I'm talking about.

Some folks feel they can require all manner of "standards" an declare that God is goona get you if you don't comply.That same preacher has never thought it out that if he is with all his great education he recieved at Bible School is wrong on these imposed issues that he will be the one trembling before the throne on judgment day NOT the gal who wears pj's with legs to bed.

And I have sat trembling as the Preacher spoke of some tragic death of a saint that would not keep them.
Then run to the alter balling my eyes out begging God to keep me saved.

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

After having read through a few threads, I think I will stir the pot and ask this question.

STANDARDS; Are they really heaven or hell issues?

I guess it would depend on what standards they leave.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I can deal with this too - some folks need the rails to keep them from falling off while others can drive right down the middle.

The fact is: that guard rail will not hold back a car that is going over the edge.

[ChTatum]

Many who have abandoned UPC standards will be lost, as will many who don't.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

I guess it would depend on what standards they leave.

When I was under a UPC pastor it seemed that standards and rules were taught because we where afraid of God.
Afraid that God would send us tell over anything.
Send you to hell over not reading your bible.
Send you to hell for going to a Movie.
Send you to hell for listening to Amy Grant.
When I first became apart of UPC in 1984 we thought the Neighboring UPC was Carnal because they played their music rockier and loader than ours.
We would go to section rallies checking out the standards of other churches.

[LaVonne]

Originally Posted by COOPER

When I was under a UPC pastor it seemed that standards and rules were taught because we where afraid of God.
Afraid that God would send us tell over anything.
Send you to hell over not reading your bible.
Send you to hell for going to a Movie.
Send you to hell for listening to Amy Grant.
When I first became apart of UPC in 1984 we thought the Neighboring UPC was Carnal because they played their music rockier and loader than ours.
We would go to section rallies checking out the standards of other churches.

It's true that there are UPC pastors who believe this kind of stuff...but they're not all that way Coop. Did you ever try a different church or maybe moving your family to place where you could attend a good church?

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by ChTatum

Many who have abandoned UPC standards will be lost, as will many who don't.

I have heard many times over a UPC pulpit you can look right, act right, worship right, shout and still be lost.
In fact while apart of the UPC; I never had the complete assurance that I could be saved, I could only hope I would be saved.
And the hear the Scripture of the Man who did all things right in the sight of the lord BUT; his heart was not in it.
Who can be saved then?

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I can deal with that. It makes good sense. Some people are careless behind the wheel and need guard rails. Others are better drivers and can stay on the road without them. The important part is staying on the road and making it to the destination.

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I can deal with this too - some folks need the rails to keep them from falling off while others can drive right down the middle.

Standads are not evil. Everybody should have some rules to live by. The UPCI has a set, but if you ain't in the UPCI why sweat it? Live and let live and let God live in us. The problem comes with extremes.

Every business I've worked for has had standards of conduct and dress. One Large consulting company, I worked for, has a one step rule. You were expected to dress one step above whatever your client wore. If the wore a shirt and tie, you wore shirt, tie and coat. If the dressed causal, you wore a tie. I liked the company so I abided by their rules of dress. Mostly I liked the benefits, they far out weighed the negatives.