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Old 07-14-2008, 09:45 PM
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Re: Wine For Medicinal Purposes ?

Yes I've read Gentry and Bahnsen too.
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Old 07-14-2008, 09:55 PM
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Well I do have a probelm with unconditional election,but I do have a CD of dominion theology works on it.
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Well I do have a probelm with unconditional election,but I do have a CD of dominion theology works on it.

Throw the dominion theology out!
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Old 07-14-2008, 09:56 PM
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This is the thing we must not make the bible fit our preferences,we must leave the scripture as it reads in proper context.
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This is the thing we must not make the bible fit our preferences,we must leave the scripture as it reads in proper context.
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Old 07-14-2008, 10:41 PM
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Re: Wine For Medicinal Purposes ?

Half of my wife's family is Jewish. Most don't realize this but the Last Supper was a meal in preparation for the passover, and Seder wine was used. Seder wine is required by Jewish law to be alcoholic. If Jesus kept the Jewish customs of his day...he drank alcoholic wine.

Those that try to draw a strong distinction between fermented and unfermented based on mere word studies are oversimplifying a more complex hermeneutic. The "new wine" and words they associate with "grape juice" are often used for both unfermented and fermented wines up to weeks of ages. I believe it was that a wine could be considered oinos for up to a year, if my memory serves me correctly. Also it's important to note that while some went through an extensive process to keep wine from fermenting, the purpose wasn't to provide unfermented wine...but to preserve the wine for use. The majority of wine in the ancient world wasn't subjected to these processes. In fact they didn't have pasturization as we know it today (like with Welch's). In fact wine began the fermentation process rather quickly and was considered fermented often within six hours of the wine press.

There's so much that goes into this there's an entire CULTURE of detail about this, and once one is familiar with it the simple little word studies and claims that Jesus drank grape juice and that the Bible condemns all alcoholic beverages seems a bit silly.

However, the Bible always condemns drunkenness.

Drunkenness is to wine what gluttony is to food. Neither wine or food are sinful in and of themselves...it's drunkenness and gluttony that we have to guard against.
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Most don't realize this but the Last Supper was a meal in preparation for the passover, and Seder wine was used. Seder wine is required by Jewish law to be alcoholic. If Jesus kept the Jewish customs of his day...he drank alcoholic wine.
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I say avoid drunkenness. Avoid gluttony. Avoid overindulgence in anything. If you can't control yourself, avoid alcohol.

When I'm a grandpa, I won't care what they say. On some rainy Saturday mornings I'm going to go out to the back porch, spend some time in prayer and study the Word...with a nice warm pipe and a glass of brandy. I'm going to smile and thank God for blessing me with a life so wondrous and a freedom so scandalous...it blinds those who say they can see.

God bless. And goodnight.
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I say avoid drunkenness. Avoid gluttony. Avoid overindulgence in anything. If you can't control yourself, avoid alcohol.

When I'm a grandpa, I won't care what they say. On some rainy Saturday mornings I'm going to go out to the back porch, spend some time in prayer and study the Word...with a nice warm pipe and a glass of brandy. I'm going to smile and thank God for blessing me with a life so wondrous and a freedom so scandalous...it blinds those who say they can see.

God bless. And goodnight.
Why wait!? You can have your brandy right now! Your brandy, your Bible, on your back porch with your shot gun, spittin some tobaccy-- now this is what Christian freedom is all about!

Free to be different, free to be changed-- but I CHOOSE not to be different or changed. That does not sit well with me.

As much as I'd really enjoy the idea that drinking Guinness isn't a negative reflection on my walk with God, somehow I think it is. But maybe this is just MY conviction and maybe, maybe the Bible does justify the moderate consumption of alcohol. I'd rather just not drink.

Please don't be offended. If you're ever in the DC/Baltimore area, maybe we can hang out-- you with your brandy, me with my sweet tea. But we could hang out.
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