Ray Boltz????

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

What's this thread about?

Renda, it doesn't deserve your time. Trust me.

[soldoutochrist]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

What's this thread about?

In a nutshell, Ray Boltz, homosexuality, reprobates, Apostolica, and mud flinging

[AmazingGrace]

Carp just came out of the closet about being smarter than all of us! YAY!!!

[rgcraig]

Carp - this was in the NFCF Lexicon - maybe this is what you are thinking of:

Apostolic Complex - A term that encapsulates all Apostolic Oneness Apostolics of all organizations, the UPC, the ALJC, the GIB, the ABC... The term was coined by Carpenter who was tired of saying something about the UPC culture only for someone to waste his time and say, "Well, I believe in standards but I am not in the UPC..."

[rgcraig]

Well, the pressure's too much for me........I'm going to bed!

[Sister Alvear]

THE TANGO is actually an interesting dance!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

THE TANGO is actually an interesting dance!

Hence my choice of words to title the thread.

[Nahum]

I think Ray Boltz's struggle and fall is alarmingly sad.

I have no idea why some people take glee in such things. It has always amazed me that Christians are sometimes the first to gloat over a soul's destruction.

There but for the grace of God....

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I think Ray Boltz's struggle and fall is alarmingly sad.

I have no idea why some people take glee in such things. It has always amazed me that Christians are sometimes the first to gloat over a soul's destruction.

There but for the grace of God....

I agree Pastor Poster. I believe homosexuality is a dysfunction just like all other illicit and deviant acts. I believe it also starts or is perpetuated by the pornographic industry.

Whether it be of the homo or hetero variety, illicit behavior is easy to fall into if we aren't careful.

Good post.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

My point is God does not wink at sin. Any sin. If unrepentant He will not abide with a person.

Will you achieve sinlessness before death?

I think that is the gist of this man's words, God made him this way so he doesn't need forgiveness or deliverance from this particular sin.

I think many do try to justify their behavior by suggesting that God made them that way. I think that’s where we, as the Church, need to educate them. Explain to them that perhaps they were “born” this way (i.e. born a sinner with this fleshly disposition). Help them see this as something rooted in their sin nature. Then explain to them that this is why they need the Lord so desperately. Then we move on to the regeneration of the spirit through the new birth, the regeneration of the mind through the preached Word, and finally the petition for God’s total healing in body. See, what we do is we correct the spirit through bringing them into the new birth. We then renew their minds through preaching….but we leave the body out. We don’t explain to them that this is in their flesh and that they will need a miraculous healing also. So when they continue to struggle in their flesh they begin to doubt that their spirit has been regenerated and they begin to doubt that their mind is being renewed by the Word. Suddenly they feel that God has either abandoned them or has accepted them as normal. We need to bring them into the third dimension of physical healing and renewal also. And be open with them…until God heals their bodies, they will struggle with this in their flesh. But give them all the assurance we can that they are saved and that God loves them. And if and when they fall…we pick them up and brush them off like we do anyone else who falls into sin.

Personally…I think the sin of homosexuality is of far less consequence than religious pride, hate, and arrogance.

None of us are sinless. If a homosexual is crying out to God for salvation and has simply said, “Lord, I can’t fight it anymore. Without a miracle, this is what I am.” They’re being more real with God than the Pharisaical legalist who denies their own sinfulness in their condemnation of others.

Our battle has always been between flesh and spirit. Why do we relegate this to "willpower" and brow beat those who are bound by an infirmity of the flesh?