UPC District board suing church in MS.? - Page 15

Stephanas · #**141** 11-11-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by StMark

My older brother almost single handedly built our 1st church and had much to do with the second and our final one. So I do understand the feelings expressed here.

As hard as it is, it's important to not let our emotions get tied up in brick and mortar alone. When we get involved in the work of God, we have to keep reminding ourselves that all of this is temporal. People come and go, die off, things change over time, things happen in churches. If we don't kep it in perspective, we can set ourselves up for devestation.

Delta Guitar knows that our neighboring church had the most shattering church split back in the 90s that ended up in death threats and family splits, it was a total nightmare. Again, we just have to gaurd ourselves that we do not attach our emotions to our labor & buildings to the point that it potentially destroys our souls

God is a wonderful pay master. he's taking everything into account and will reward us with a crown of life.

We need to remember to keep things SIMPLE. church is just a meeting place for believers. the building is not the church. It's the anointing and the glory that most important.

Very well put.

Not one seam welded is ever lost to us. Our reward is in Heaven.

All of these building will only be a fading memory before long.

Amos · #**142** 11-11-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by aak1972

Amos there is also no justification for a pastor being so deceptive. There is no justification for kicking board members off that do not agree with him. There is no justification in firing the secretary of 30 years b/c her husband was one of the board members. I could go one for hours. The board members simply wanted another vote. One that was anounced as such and not just as a simple business meeting. He was very deceptive about the WPF. Like I said I could continue for hours.

You may be right about every bit of that for all I know. I have no idea.

But even if you are, two wrongs don't make a right.

If that pastor did wrong, there is a God in heaven who will tend to him far more decisively and effectively than any court or judge on this earth.

But suing him against the Scripture is also going to have to be accounted for.

It isn't right.

aak1972 · #**143** 11-11-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Amos

You may be right about every bit of that for all I know. I have no idea.

But even if you are, two wrongs don't make a right.

If that pastor did wrong, there is a God in heaven who will tend to him far more decisively and effectively than any court or judge on this earth.

But suing him against the Scripture is also going to have to be accounted for.

It isn't right.

We all know he will be judged in that time. What would you suggest the board members and saints do? I do not think this group of people should just walk away and let him have his way. I do beleive that a true pastor would ever have led a congregation into a situation he knew would cause a church split.

Amos · #**144** 11-11-2008, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by aak1972

We all know he will be judged in that time. What would you suggest the board members and saints do? I do not think this group of people should just walk away and let him have his way. I do beleive that a true pastor would ever have led a congregation into a situation he knew would cause a church split.

Argue with the Word, not me.

Whether he did right or not, suing him is a sin. Period.

Two wrongs never make aright, and his actions, whatever they might have been, do not justify violating the Scripture.

So, yes, walking away and leaving it in God's hands is exactly what they should do.

That may not seem fair to our carnal minds, but it is the Bible way.

tbpew · #**145** 11-11-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Amos

Argue with the Word, not me.

Whether he did right or not, suing him is a sin. Period.

Two wrongs never make aright, and his actions, whatever they might have been, do not justify violating the Scripture.

So, yes, walking away and leaving it in God's hands is exactly what they should do.

That may not seem fair to our carnal minds, but it is the Bible way.

I thought the bible way to was to judge the matter among ourselves by having the least esteemed person from among the assembly do the judging.

I wonder if we understand that we will judge the world?
Where did our unworthiness to judge such small matters come from?
I wonder how we will judge angels when judging an allegedly errant human in the church is something we should walk away from?

I hope none of us are arguing with the word by just walking away from judging a matter?

stmatthew · #**146** 11-11-2008, 09:30 PM

I have stated this elsewhere, but will do so here as well.

If the Pastor was leading the church into false doctrine, I could understand fighting it. But the man (from my understanding) has not changed doctrine. He still believes Acts 2:38 is essential for salvation. So this is not a fight over spiritual issues, but over carnal issues.

The sad fact is that some believe that because they have done what they were supposed to for years, and supported the work of God, that now that a minister has come in and is leading the church the way he believes God would have him do so, they believe they should have a say so. I disagree with this mentality. If you trusted the man enough to vote him in as Pastor, and you trusted him enough to lead your carcass out of Egypt, why are you now mumbling and complaining. Follow the Man of God and let him lead, or go find you a Pastor that you can follow.

Amos · #**147** 11-11-2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tbpew

I thought the bible way to was to judge the matter among ourselves by having the least esteemed person from among the assembly do the judging.

I wonder if we understand that we will judge the world?
Where did our unworthiness to judge such small matters come from?
I wonder how we will judge angels when judging an allegedly errant human in the church is something we should walk away from?

I hope none of us are arguing with the word by just walking away from judging a matter?

Good thoughts.

Straightline · #**148** 11-12-2008, 12:07 AM

1 Cor 6:7-8
7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

"See that ye fall not out by the way"
Straightline

Steve Epley · #**149** 11-12-2008, 07:33 AM

I hope everyone reading knows there are two sides at least to every story. What if some older members were just throwing a fit because the present pastor has welcomed blacks into the church and this other stuff is a smoke screen? This is Mississippi?

jtork · #**150** 11-12-2008, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I hope everyone reading knows there are two sides at least to every story. What if some older members were just throwing a fit because the present pastor has welcomed blacks into the church and this other stuff is a smoke screen? This is Mississippi?

That was a dumb comment Steve Epley - you know most of you people are a bunch of the reason there are backsliders in Penetcost! On here quoting scripture about suing someone in one post and then gossiping about it in the next - bunch of hypocrites is what most of you are on here and Ministier WD who started this I sure hope you do not actually consider yourself a "minister"! Most of you on here have no idea what you are talking about - just running your mouth. Please tell me what church you all go to so I will be sure NOT to ever be a member there!