Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....
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Originally Posted by Ferd
well, we wouldnt have to if someone didnt feel it necessary to take issue with the UPCI for declariing "This is who we are"....
What irritates me is that it is an issue. folk dont like the Apostolic Identity as reflected by the UPCI, then fine, do your own deal. But do we have to stop down and bash the UPCI every time some preacher in the organization decides to suggest that the UPCI still olds to some views others have let go of (or never held)?
I agree. It is a waste of time to try to change people who are 4th and 5th generations pentecostal.
Personally I feel like the greatest progress will be made when these guys start forcing the issue of holiness/standards and the real debate will start.
My biggest problem is that there are young people who are sincere who follow the rules out of respect. I was one of these young people and I was conflicted deeply because I really loved the culture and MY APOSTOLIC IDENTITY.
Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....
Identity?? So that's the latest issue now?
What does that really have to do with winning a soul in 2009?
Nada.
I think we really need to be careful with this kind of stuff.
It's just so easy for folks to get caught up in religious politics and other trivial stuff, rather than focusing on the things the Lord really wants from us... like soul winning.
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Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....
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Originally Posted by deltaguitar
I agree. It is a waste of time to try to change people who are 4th and 5th generations pentecostal.
Personally I feel like the greatest progress will be made when these guys start forcing the issue of holiness/standards and the real debate will start.
My biggest problem is that there are young people who are sincere who follow the rules out of respect. I was one of these young people and I was conflicted deeply because I really loved the culture and MY APOSTOLIC IDENTITY.
Then there are young people who love the message and live the life because they choose to..
Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....
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Originally Posted by KWSS1976
The problem lies with the issue that if a lady in the upc wears skirts and then comes to the church in pants she is automaticlly made a sinner by the church...
Ultimately ... it is souls isn't it, TR ??? ... and how we approach them ... and the countless souls we've lost... along the way because of our inordinate outward focus .
Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....
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Originally Posted by LUKE2447
come on most women in the UPCI don't look like the 50's. Also most pants "IMO" are not modest nor respectful in love to the men around them and most are manish. Also to me they do not present the honor and grace of the woman but excercise the woman as a item to be grasped. That is not love! Again my opinion!
Alright, the hairstyles look like the 1890's and the clothing is an updated version of 1950 styles.
If pants are not modest on women, then they are not modest on men either.
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Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Ultimately ... it is souls isn't it, TR ??? ... and how we approach them ... and the countless souls we've lost ... along the way.
See above post.
And the souls we are killing, trying to conform them to OUR ideals. My way is better than their way. And let's make sure we tell everyone how wrong they are and how right I am.
It's probably easier to win souls with gimmicks that way they don't notice the doctrines are false.
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Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....
It would be interesting to see the fallout that would occur if the UPCI decided to go one step further and command the men to dress in robes as to be more like Jesus...
It would also be interesting to see how many threads would be on this forum if they made such dress issues to be a heaven or hell issue.
I got scriptures that would support such a notion, and I'm not even licensed. LOL!
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