Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....

[Innocuous]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

What, you mean like the quote that:

"These people as a whole arent even preaching the NT plan of salvation that the apostles preached.."

Sorry if the truth grieves you, sir.

But facts are facts. Most Trinitarian churches don't preach the New Testament gospel. To me, that's not even something that's debatable.

I guess you've said it so that settles it. Even so, you deprecating tone toward those that dont' agree with your theology is grievous.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

That happens on both sides of the aisle.

ok (?)

That kind of goes without saying.

I didnt say it didn't happen on both sides.
It's wrong either way.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Ok, I have read enough. I am going to listen to John Piper. He doesn't worry about all this stuff.

John Piper.... LOL! Please spare me. Talking about false teaching on many subjects. About the only thing I can even think he is good on is Headship and he is complementarian His doctrine on grace is false teaching and a lie from hell among a few things.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Innocuous

I guess you've said so that settles it. Even so, you deprecating tone toward those that dont' agree with your theology is grievous.

Actually the Bible says so and that settles it.

(I dont know if you're apostolic or not. I cant always assume around here.)

But...

1/ I have little tolerance for blatant false doctrines. I consider Trinitarianism to one such false doctrine, and Trinitarian churches to be purveyors of false doctrine.

I make no apologies for that.

2/ Its not MY theology. It's what's in the bible. If you're Oneness (again, I cant assume), then you should know that already. And there's not need to use this marginalizing technique of referring to it as MY theology. It's the theology thats in your own bible.

You might want to speak well of Trinitarianism if you want to , but I dont have to.

My issue is not so much with the rank-and-file Trinitarian sitting in the pews. Most of them are naive sheep. It's the deceitful or deluded SHEPHERDS I have more of an issue with, for peddling their falsehood for all these centuries among the unsuspecting.

That's my view, sir. If that bothers you, so be it.

Paul and other NT writers spoke strongly in opposition to those who brought corrupt doctrine into the church. It's kinda sad that there are some on AFF who think that taking that kind of stand against the Trinity falsehood is "inappropriate".

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Innocuous

Oh sure, I have all sorts of positive things to say TRF. I love the UPC and I want it to succeed....but if people don't get their head out of the sand the UPC will die. And that, to me, would be a tragedy.

It's interesting, because it's not just people outside of the UPC that are 'cloudy' and 'gloomy', it's senior leaders within the ranks that are saying and feeling these things. You have to deal with that one of these days and talking down to Trinitarians and the RCC won't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

Your attitude towards Trinitarians grieves me....it's a real downer man. Thanks for the uplift.

So head in the sand is basically accepting the drastic culltural changes that have been brought about by materialism, humanism, feminism and liberalism.... Yeah, I want that! Sorry but such a drastic change happened for a reason and the social pressures do to science and technological advances which hit everyone and mass appeal to the population has drowned out cultural virtues that where the norm of the American population due Christianity being conservative.

With such a influx of socialism and other underlying philosophies you have a social shift that for the most part is not compatible with basic Christianity. What you have now is a bunch of feel good junk with little power with appeal to the masses to scratch the ears.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Who did you guys meet with and discuss these things concerning your new found revelations?

Was it someone from here on AFF?

Nope. We simply prayed and studied the passage and a number of commentaries and linguistic sources. It was fascinating really. For example I realized that it gives an awesome perspective of true holiness standards. For example, if this interpretation is correct, Paul was setting a standard based on cultural norms of the Mediterranean world for the Corinthian church; he wasn't commanding uncut hair or even head coverings.... he was commanding modesty. This would translate broadly in principle. For example, in today's culture fishnet stockings are a bit provocative...Paul's standard about veils would be like a pastor setting a standard for modest natural pantyhose. Or setting a facial hair standard, etc. It perfectly illustrates how a man of God can look at cultural norms and set a standard in the church to maintain modesty and decency.

Now it becomes a powerful tool to move more conservatively if necessary....it's not about making women wear mop-like hair down to their ankles or little bonnets. It's REAL practical.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

"glowing in those robes"???????

Well, wouldn't they be more holy looking? I sure can't tell if they are Apostolic when they are wearing just a shirt and pants like other worldly men!!

Women are easily identified by their clothing. I think men should follow suit.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Cindy

I may have. Y'all are still in my prayers and hope I am in yours.

Always Cindy, you're an awesome sister even if we disagree on some things.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by pelathais

His climate was more temperate than where I am at. I believe He understands this and will allow me to bundle up whenever there's a breeze greater than 60 knots.

You know, some state that if women cannot partake of certain events and such, like skiing or skating or even hunting, without being in a skirt, they shouldn't partake of those things.

Likewise, if men cannot be modest in their robe while living in an airy place, then they shouldn't live there.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Nope. We simply prayed and studied the passage and a number of commentaries and linguistic sources. It was fascinating really. For example I realized that it gives an awesome perspective of true holiness standards. For example, if this interpretation is correct, Paul was setting a standard based on cultural norms of the Mediterranean world for the Corinthian church; he wasn't commanding uncut hair or even head coverings.... he was commanding modesty. This would translate broadly in principle. For example, in today's culture fishnet stockings are a bit provocative...Paul's standard about veils would be like a pastor setting a standard for modest natural pantyhose. Or setting a facial hair standard, etc. It perfectly illustrates how a man of God can look at cultural norms and set a standard in the church to maintain modesty and decency.

Now it becomes a powerful tool to move more conservatively if necessary....it's not about making women wear mop-like hair down to their ankles or little bonnets. It's REAL practical.

But subjective and can be different in different cultures.