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02-03-2009, 01:45 PM
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Re: Segraves and OPs re-examine dispensationalism?
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Excommunicated, disfellowshipped, it all means the same. I believe I speak for a fairly large group of ministers and laity that have been disfellowshipped from their churches, fellowships and circles of friends because they did not buy into the dispensationalist mentallity. They may have been historists, partial preterists, preterists and etc. The problem is that there is no venue, up till now, that these questions were able to be asked. Now to see this still coming out into the open is refreshing. It proves that time is on our side.
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02-03-2009, 07:35 PM
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Re: Segraves and OPs re-examine dispensationalism?
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
2008 UGST Symposium
Oneness Pentecostals and Dispensationalism: Modification or Replacement?
Daniel L. Segraves, PhD (ABD)
Although the early twentieth century Pentecostal movement did not originally
embrace dispensationalism,2 the dispensational theory soon flourished in some segments
of Pentecostalism among those who “shared the premillennial vision of the future” and
who thus found that “dispensationalism with its intense emphasis on futuristic
eschatology had a strong appeal to them.”3 It was immediately necessary, however, for
Pentecostals to modify Scofieldian dispensationalism, because although the “system . . .
provides a convenient method of organizing biblical history and teaches that it is possible
to fit the full range of prophetic Scripture into something like a complicated puzzle,”4 it
also asserted “that the gifts of the Spirit, especially what has been called ‘the sensational
gifts’ or ‘sign gifts’ (healing, faith, working of miracles, and tongues), were confined to
the apostolic age.”5 Although cessationism was rejected by Pentecostals, “the
dispensational understanding of the church, as well as its eschatology, has influenced
pentecostal theology.”6
MORE HERE: http://www.ugst.org/uploaded/Symposium/2008/Papers/OnenessPentecostalsAndDispensationalism_Segraves.p df
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This is refreshing to hear, because some of the implications of the usages of dispensationalism that I learned led to many of the things that Segraves discusses. Actually he taught me many of those things. Glad to hear that there is some new thought going into this.
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02-03-2009, 08:08 PM
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Re: Segraves and OPs re-examine dispensationalism?
"Is modification enough, or should dispensationalism be replaced
altogether? If so, with what?"
Very provoking - I like it.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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02-03-2009, 08:15 PM
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Re: Segraves and OPs re-examine dispensationalism?
I have always had faith in sincere people of God. When they/we are hungry for truth, they/we shall be filled. This will meet with opposition as some theologians in the UPCI have built their entire ministries on this unbiblical conclusion.
I know of some that teach "Search for Truth" and when I mention to them how about "Search for MORE Truth" they do not understand the short comings of that particular bible study, as it teaches as fact, some things that cannot be proven with the Bible.
This is indeed a good sign.
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02-03-2009, 08:23 PM
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Re: Segraves and OPs re-examine dispensationalism?
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I have always had faith in sincere people of God. When they/we are hungry for truth, they/we shall be filled. This will meet with opposition as some theologians in the UPCI have built their entire ministries on this unbiblical conclusion.
I know of some that teach "Search for Truth" and when I mention to them how about "Search for MORE Truth" they do not understand the short comings of that particular bible study, as it teaches as fact, some things that cannot be proven with the Bible.
This is indeed a good sign.
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I was thinking about these bible studies today ... in relation to what DS is proposing here ....
Again ... the ramifications of even modifying this stance ... if not replacing it would mean mainstays like this would need to be re-written ... or thrown out ...
This is bigger than some think ....
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02-03-2009, 08:36 PM
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Re: Segraves and OPs re-examine dispensationalism?
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
I was thinking about these bible studies today ... in relation to what DS is proposing here ....
Again ... the ramifications of even modifying this stance ... if not replacing it would mean mainstays like this would need to be re-written ... or thrown out ...
This is bigger than some think ....
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Glory! Let Truth Reign! And unbiblical tradition taught as infalible Biblical truths be cast away from the children of God!
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02-03-2009, 08:51 PM
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Re: Segraves and OPs re-examine dispensationalism?
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
I was thinking about these bible studies today ... in relation to what DS is proposing here ....
Again ... the ramifications of even modifying this stance ... if not replacing it would mean mainstays like this would need to be re-written ... or thrown out ...
This is bigger than some think ....
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I think it is a great temptation to stay away from this issue as much as possible, and simply close one's mind to wondering about it, once folks know the ramifications of it. Of course, what God would expect us to do is something else!
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02-04-2009, 06:21 AM
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Re: Segraves and OPs re-examine dispensationalism?
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Originally Posted by Bowas
I have always had faith in sincere people of God. When they/we are hungry for truth, they/we shall be filled. This will meet with opposition as some theologians in the UPCI have built their entire ministries on this unbiblical conclusion.
I know of some that teach "Search for Truth" and when I mention to them how about "Search for MORE Truth" they do not understand the short comings of that particular bible study, as it teaches as fact, some things that cannot be proven with the Bible.
This is indeed a good sign.
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Funny that the man responsible in large part for the "Search for Truth" Bible study is, in fact, now himself a preterist!
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02-04-2009, 07:58 AM
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Re: Segraves and OPs re-examine dispensationalism?
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Funny that the man responsible in large part for the "Search for Truth" Bible study is, in fact, now himself a preterist!
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Who would that be?
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02-04-2009, 10:21 AM
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Re: Segraves and OPs re-examine dispensationalism?
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Who would that be?
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I thought I had heard that Larry Smith was the author of the original SFT study. If that is incorrect, please accept my apology and correct my error.
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