Bishop SC Johnson

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by martha

Martha: TRF, what profit would it be for me to go and listen to a minister who does not know the gospel? What have I accomplished to go sit under a minister who is preaching error to me just so I can look at an animated body preach lies to me. Don't you know that I would rather listen to Bishop Johnson's tapes that preach truth that leads to eternal life than listen to any preacher, in the flesh, preaching error to eternal damnation. I don't know of ANY MINISTER TODAY, ANYWHERE that's preaching truth. In order to know this, one MUST FIRST KNOW THE TRUTH AND SO MANY TODAY JUST DON'T KNOW THE TRUTH AND APPARENTLY THEY LIKE IT THAT WAY.

Martha, I will say this politely, but directly. You are sadly misled, my sister.

For you to assume that no minister knows the Gospel today outside of SC Johnson is shortsighted, to put it politely.

The Body of Christ, God's church, is bigger than any one man.

There are millions of saints in countries all over the world who have never even heard of Bishop SC Johnson. What do you say about them? These people dont listen to tapes. They have pastors who watch over the flock, provide guidance and instruction, and seek a word from God which they preach each Sunday to their churches. People are being filled with the Holy Ghost, baptized in Jesus name, spiritual gifts are in operation, revival is taking place, and God is moving among them in a great way. It is ridiculous that you people have elevated this man to this level, as if God is now limited. God is not limited at all, my sister. For your own sake, open your eyes and see what God is doing. It's a great big world out there, and God is moving mightily all over the planet, outside of this little "box" (SC Johnson and his teachings) that you folks have created.

Originally Posted by martha

Martha: Bishop Johnson has been dead for 48 years. My husband was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ three years ago. Have you forgotten about God and that He is able to oversee His own or do you trust so much in flesh and blood that God takes a back seat?

Trusting in flesh and blood to oversee the chrurch?
Really? You mean like the apostles, prophets, pastors, etc that the Bible says is part of God's pattern of leadership over his church?? Arent they flesh-and-blood leaders of the spiritual body of Christ?

Do you not know that in the original Greek, the word "bishop" that Paul uses in the NT literally means "overseer" ? Yes, God is the Great Overseer... but He also has placed human overseers over his flock. That is biblical. What you are talking about is not biblical.

Originally Posted by martha

We used to sing an old song called "God's Got a Way To Bring His People Out". My husband is an example of that. God's word is unchanging. It will be the same a thousand years from now, should the Lord tarry. If you've got a preacher giving you a different spin on it from time to time, he's lying to you. If you go to church to be entertained by the skill of the speaker rather than the truth of what's spoken, you've accomplished nothing. If you can put your mind to it you would see that it is THE WORD that leads. It should always be THE WORD that leads, not the man and the vision is The New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven and the vision of Jesus Christ coming in the clouds. What other vision matters? You words sound so very hollow when placed alongside the wisdom of God.

Please. Dont talk to me about hollow.

So lets take your words... and place them alongside the Word of God, ok?

Do you folks even pay attention to Ephesians 4:11-16?
You seem to have forgotten about the 5-fold ministry of the word of God... apostles (plural, not just Johnson), prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers. That is God'd biblical pattern for the Body of Christ. You people are not in line with God's biblical pattern because you not allowing the five-fold ministry to operate among you according to the word of God. Go see what your own bible says about that, and compare it to what you people are doing.

If you take the time to really see what the scripture says on this, you will see... The five fold ministry is to operate in the body of Christ until Jesus's coming ... it didnt stop at the coming of SC Johnson. Plain and simple, you people are out of order and need to get back in line with the plan of God as shown in the bible.

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No more apostles after Johnson? Where's the scripture for that?
No pastors/overseers today? Where's the scripture for that?
No prophets? Where's the scripture for that?

Find me the scriptures for that, and then we can really talk. But at this point, this stuff you're telling me is not just unbiblical, but anti-biblical.