No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Falla39

God was manifest in the Son. He showed us thru His Son (flesh) how that
we could be reconciled or come to God.

Heb. 11:6,
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God
must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently
seek him.

Jesus (Son/flesh) manifested the works of (God/Father) in and through his body.
He came into the world as a babe. He was not yet fully prepared for the ministry
God sent him to do. He submitted to his earthly mother and "father". But when
he was about 30 yrs old, his earthly ministry began to be manifested, through
his earthly body. God was bringing/beginning a New thing to earth. A NEW creation.

The bringing in and the beginning of a new creation, the NEW restored Israel of
God, the spiritual creation, the CHURCH. Not a building, but a people which were
not a people, but are NOW the people of GOD.

God took the time to come in the body of a man, Spirit in humanity, to show us
the way and then went back to where he came from. Left his Word/messege in
chosen men to continue to preach the plan/message. That message when preached
today still begets spiritual sons and daughter of the LORD ALMIGHTY! I am one!

When the Sonship role was finished, he ascended back where he came from
and poured out His Spirit from on high, and enpowered those chosen men with His
Spirit to work in the Kingdom of God in the earth. It has continued and has spread
to the uttermost parts of the earth.

When you finish with a pattern, you usually fold it up and put it up.

Falla39

But you do not do that with your beloved Son...particularly one which on two occassions you spoke from the clouds declaring "this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased". (referencing the enlarged highlight I inserted in the quote above)

See sis, this is why I submit that most teachers of the oneness view point do not really believe God has a son.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by tbpew

But you do not do that with your beloved Son...particularly one which on two occassions you spoke from the clouds declaring "this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased". (referencing the enlarged highlight I inserted in the quote above)

See sis, this is why I submit that most teachers of the oneness view point do not really believe God has a son.

Bro. tbpew,

Evidently God (Spirit/Deity) returned to the role He had previously held before He came to earth in the role of the Son. The purpose for His Sonship
was completed.
Psalms 110:1, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.


Heb.1:1,2, NIV
In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

I was born a daughter to my parents. I became a wife, a mother and now
have become a grandmother 20 times. Yet I am but one person. I have a
husband, sons, daughters. But I am one person. I have not always been a
wife, a mother, but have now fulfilled these roles. Those who I was a dau-
ghter to, are gone. My role as granddaughter to my grandparents are gone.
These are past roles. I remain.

God had a Son and indwelt in that Son. God was in Christ. For a purpose,
to fulfill a role as Mediator between God and men. To reconcile the world unto Himself. GOD(Spirit) commanded the Light to shine out of darkness
to give light of the glory of God (Spirit). How did God (Spirit) do this?) God
(Spirit) shined out in/through the FACE of JESUS CHRIST. Father and Son,
Spirit and Body were so fused together as ONE. Jesus prayed for His disciples
that they might be one as Son and Father were.

Blessings,

Falla39

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Bro. tbpew,

Evidently God (Spirit/Deity) returned to the role He had previously held before He came to earth in the role of the Son. The purpose for His Sonship
was completed.
Psalms 110:1, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.


Heb.1:1,2, NIV
In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

I was born a daughter to my parents. I became a wife, a mother and now
have become a grandmother 20 times. Yet I am but one person. I have a
husband, sons, daughters. But I am one person. I have not always been a
wife, a mother, but have now fulfilled these roles. Those who I was a dau-
ghter to, are gone. My role as granddaughter to my grandparents are gone.
These are past roles. I remain.

God had a Son and indwelt in that Son. God was in Christ. For a purpose,
to fulfill a role as Mediator between God and men. To reconcile the world unto Himself. GOD(Spirit) commanded the Light to shine out of darkness
to give light of the glory of God (Spirit). How did God (Spirit) do this?) God
(Spirit) shined out in/through the FACE of JESUS CHRIST. Father and Son,
Spirit and Body were so fused together as ONE. Jesus prayed for His disciples
that they might be one as Son and Father were.

Blessings,

Falla39

Sis Falla,
I certainly am not one to silence any discussion about a Father and Son.
But a father and son is not what results from a fusion of God's spirit fusing with a body....sorry, the outcome of such an act will not reveal a Father and a Son.....it just doesn't.

Psalms 110:1 is a wonderful and thought-provoking scripture for any honest-hearted oneness teacher. I have written several times on the witness that Jesus challenged the scribes to answer: Concerning the Christ, whose Son is he? When they said "the Son of David", the Son of God refutted that understanding by identifying that David (speaking in the Spirit) called Messiah HIS Lord (Adoni). But his Lord was instructed by the LORD to sit here until I MAKE THY enemies THY footstool. You have to agree, that would be an extremely bizarre conversation for David to receive as a vision if it was to be interpreted as being between two manifestations.

Sis, fold up the pattern if you choose, but as for me, I will continue to look to the only begotten Son of God as the head of the church that God indwells, rendering apparent the invisible God.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by tbpew

But you do not do that with your beloved Son...particularly one which on two occassions you spoke from the clouds declaring "this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased". (referencing the enlarged highlight I inserted in the quote above)

See sis, this is why I submit that most teachers of the oneness view point do not really believe God has a son.

The Father was pleased in dwell in the Son because that is the means
God (Spirit) (in Christ) manifested Himself. As Son (humanity) he grew
tired and sleepy in the boat, as GOD He arose and rebuked the winds
and spoke "Peace be still"! The elements had heard that Voice before as
it spake at Creation, "Let there be light, and there was light". God was
IN Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself. GOD was IN Christ without
measure.
All the fulness of God dwelled in the Body of Jesus Christ. All power in
heaven and earth was given to Him.

God didn't use His little boy, Jesus, as a Lamb for a sacrifice. He prepared
Himself a Lamb for a offering for sin. He didn't leave the Son (humanity) in
the grave to see corruption. And IF the same Spirit that raised Christ from
the dead, dwell in you, it shall also quicken your mortal bodies. There is ONE
GOD. GOD is a Spirit. The Holy Spirit/Ghost. It raised Lazarus from the dead.
It indwelt Jesus and raised Him from the dead. The Father (Spirit) raised the
Son (humanity) from the dead.

Falla39

[Shawn]

This has really turned out to be a good thread. Thanks everyone for sharing.....

[Praxeas]

God just "in" the Son. God IS the Son

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Falla39

God was manifest in the Son. He showed us thru His Son (flesh) how that
we could be reconciled or come to God.

Heb. 11:6,
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God
must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently
seek him.

Jesus (Son/flesh) manifested the works of (God/Father) in and through his body.
He came into the world as a babe. He was not yet fully prepared for the ministry
God sent him to do. He submitted to his earthly mother and "father". But when
he was about 30 yrs old, his earthly ministry began to be manifested, through
his earthly body. God was bringing/beginning a New thing to earth. A NEW creation.

The bringing in and the beginning of a new creation, the NEW restored Israel of
God, the spiritual creation, the CHURCH. Not a building, but a people which were
not a people, but are NOW the people of GOD.

God took the time to come in the body of a man, Spirit in humanity, to show us
the way and then went back to where he came from. Left his Word/messege in
chosen men to continue to preach the plan/message. That message when preached
today still begets spiritual sons and daughter of the LORD ALMIGHTY! I am one!

When the Sonship role was finished, he ascended back where he came from
and poured out His Spirit from on high, and enpowered those chosen men with His
Spirit to work in the Kingdom of God in the earth. It has continued and has spread
to the uttermost parts of the earth.

When you finish with a pattern, you usually fold it up and put it up.

Falla39

I celebrate with you!

At risk of sounding critical - I would like to point out the "Sonship role" is not finished. He is eternal and lives forevermore.

Blessings to all this Easter season!

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I celebrate with you!

At risk of sounding critical - I would like to point out the "Sonship role" is not finished. He is eternal and lives forevermore.

Blessings to all this Easter season!

Bro. Hoover,

We can't have good dialogue unless we "sound" a little critical at times!

1 Corinthians 15:24-28 (Amplified Bible)

24 After that comes the end (the completion), when He delivers over the kingdom to God the Father after rendering inoperative and abolishing every [other] rule and every authority and power.
25 For [Christ] must be King and reign until He has put all [His] enemies under His feet.(A)

26 The last enemy to be subdued and abolished is death.

27 For He [the Father] has put all things in subjection under His [Christ's] feet. But when it says, All things are put in subjection [under Him], it is evident that He [Himself] is excepted Who does the subjecting of all things to Him.(B)

28 However, when everything is subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will also subject Himself to [the Father] Who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all [be everything to everyone, supreme, the indwelling and controlling factor of life].

Blessings,

Falla39

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Bro. Hoover,

We can't have good dialogue unless we "sound" a little critical at times!

1 Corinthians 15:24-28 (Amplified Bible)

24 After that comes the end (the completion), when He delivers over the kingdom to God the Father after rendering inoperative and abolishing every [other] rule and every authority and power.
25 For [Christ] must be King and reign until He has put all [His] enemies under His feet.(A)

26 The last enemy to be subdued and abolished is death.

27 For He [the Father] has put all things in subjection under His [Christ's] feet. But when it says, All things are put in subjection [under Him], it is evident that He [Himself] is excepted Who does the subjecting of all things to Him.(B)

28 However, when everything is subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will also subject Himself to [the Father] Who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all [be everything to everyone, supreme, the indwelling and controlling factor of life].

Blessings,

Falla39

Very well. It is fair to say His mission is accomplished - it is finished.

However, the Son is not a role nor a mission. He, as the incarnate one, is God's crowning achievement and supreme revelation of Himself. The glorified Son of God will forever be the object of our worship. He is now (in existence) what we soon will be.

[Falla39]

#120 04-08-2009, 09:07 AM
Falla39

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Re: No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?

GOD did in and through the body of the Son that He could not do as The Spirit
(Power) alone.

Electricity, unharnessed, without a channel or means to flow through, out to
the various places to serve, is very dangerous and is not useful. It needs a
channel (means) in which to flow out.

No wonder those Israelites were scared nearly to death with the Spirit/God
sending thunderings, lightenings, wind, etc. up on that mountain. No wonder
Moses, who understood the Power of God, told them to not come past the
boundary of the mountain.

When God was channeled in and through the body of The Son, a body pre-
pared for the purpose to come and identify with mankind, and to die as a
sinless Lamb, things changed. The Spirit and the Body compliment each
other as one is of no benefit without the other.The Spirit cannot work
effectively alone. and a body without the Spirit is DEAD! The Spirit and
the Body share in the GLORY of GOD! Christ in you,the HOPE of glory!
Each realizes one cannot be of benefit, without the other. They give
glory to each other. The Father glorified the Son and the Son gave all
glory to the Father.

Can you see Christ comparing the church as a husband and wife! They
compliment each other, or should! IF Christ IS IN HIS BODY, the CHURCH,
sons and daughters SHOULD be being born. IF NOT, there is not the FLOW
there should be. Has the "POWER" line been severed!
The LOVE OF THE FATHER who SO LOVED the world that HE GAVE HIS SON
to save the world IN AND THROUGH the HIS WIFE, the Church. LACK of LOVE
for the FATHER (Husband) makes barren wives or churches. If the LOVE of
the FATHER (GOD) is not in both husbands and wives,the Love of the Father
is not in that union, whether it be the HOME or the CHURCH. SERIOUS busi-
ness!

The Son told His disciples that He did only the things the Father told him to
DO and SAY. Totally Spirit-led. If a man/woman thinks they can do with-
out the Spirit,they are just doing their OWN thing. But if man/woman sub-
mits and allows the Spirit to do the leading, they become the Lord Almighty's
sons and daughters.

Jesus performed miracles, that those among whom He walked, might believe
He was who He was. The Jews were critical of Him because they said that,
He,being a man, made Himself God. They did not understand He was God who
came as a man.

I can understand by seeing how valuable electricity (POWER) is, but it MUST
be channeled/contained in a means which can carry it to individual places for
various purposes. Look around you and see what you would have to do with-
out if you didn't have the POWER of electricity. Now just think what blessings
you would be without if you didn't have the POWER OF GOD in your life. If you
didn't have the POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST (SPIRIT) available.IT is my MOST
VALUABLE POSSESSION! THANK YOU, FATHER!

We are the channels or temple of the Holy Ghost that carries the POWER OF
GOD (SPIRIT) to benefit or serve others. Just as the power of electricity is
carried from a source (Power plant), so must the POWER of GOD come from
the SOURCE (God/Deity/Spirit/Father) to the bodies/temples of the LIVING
GOD!

Falla39