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Old 04-15-2009, 03:55 PM
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Re: Is There Valid Law Authorizing Income Taxes?

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What is your take on the FairTax?
I met Huckabee. He made a great point. drug dealers and prostitutes don't pay any taxes. Taxation when services and goods change hands catches a lot more people.
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:00 PM
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Name the false claims?
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:14 PM
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The 16th Amendment

Under the Constitution, Congress could impose direct taxes only if they were levied in proportion to each State's population. Thus, when a flat rate Federal income tax was enacted in 1894, it was quickly challenged and in 1895 the U.S. Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional because it was a direct tax not apportioned according to the population of each state.

Lacking the revenue from an income tax and with all other forms of internal taxes facing stiff resistance, from 1896 until 1910 the Federal government relied heavily on high tariffs for its revenues. The War Revenue Act of 1899 sought to raise funds for the Spanish-American War through the sale of bonds, taxes on recreational facilities used by workers, and doubled taxes on beer and tobacco. A tax was even imposed on chewing gum. The Act expired in 1902, so that Federal receipts fell from 1.7 percent of Gross Domestic Product to 1.3 percent.

While the War Revenue Act returned to traditional revenue sources following the Supreme Court's 1895 ruling on the income tax, debate on alternative revenue sources remained lively. The nation was becoming increasingly aware that high tariffs and excise taxes were not sound economic policy and often fell disproportionately on the less affluent. Proposals to reinstate the income tax were introduced by Congressmen from agricultural areas whose constituents feared a Federal tax on property, especially on land, as a replacement for the excises.

Eventually, the income tax debate pitted southern and western Members of Congress representing more agricultural and rural areas against the industrial northeast. The debate resulted in an agreement calling for a tax, called an excise tax, to be imposed on business income, and a Constitutional amendment to allow the Federal government to impose tax on individuals' lawful incomes without regard to the population of each State.

By 1913, 36 States had ratified the 16th Amendment to the Constitution. In October, Congress passed a new income tax law with rates beginning at 1 percent and rising to 7 percent for taxpayers with income in excess of $500,000. Less than 1 percent of the population paid income tax at the time. Form 1040 was introduced as the standard tax reporting form and, though changed in many ways over the years, remains in use today.

One of the problems with the new income tax law was how to define "lawful" income. Congress addressed this problem by amending the law in 1916 by deleting the word "lawful" from the definition of income. As a result, all income became subject to tax, even if it was earned by illegal means. Several years later, the Supreme Court declared the Fifth Amendment could not be used by bootleggers and others who earned income through illegal activities to avoid paying taxes. Consequently, many who broke various laws associated with illegal activities and were able to escape justice for these crimes were incarcerated on tax evasion charges.

Prior to the enactment of the income tax, most citizens were able to pursue their private economic affairs without the direct knowledge of the government. Individuals earned their wages, businesses earned their profits, and wealth was accumulated and dispensed with little or no interaction with government entities. The income tax fundamentally changed this relationship, giving the government the right and the need to know about all manner of an individual or business' economic life. Congress recognized the inherent invasiveness of the income tax into the taxpayer's personal affairs and so in 1916 it provided citizens with some degree of protection by requiring that information from tax returns be kept confidential.
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:23 PM
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Below is an excerpt from a web site that has the rest of the article posted.
Due to copy write laws in regards to forum usage not all can be posted here.
On the bottom is the link.


Bill Benson's findings, published in "The Law That Never Was," make a convincing case that the 16th amendment was not legally ratified and that Secretary of State Philander Knox was not merely in error, but committed fraud when he declared it ratified in February 1913. What follows is a summary of some of the major findings for many of the states, showing that their ratifications were not legal and should not have been counted.

The 16th amendment had been sent out in 1909 to the state governors for ratification by the state legislatures after having been passed by Congress. There were 48 states at that time, and three-fourths, or 36, of them were required to give their approval in order for it to be ratified. The process took almost the whole term of the Taft administration, from 1909 to 1913.

Knox had received responses from 42 states when he declared the 16th amendment ratified on February 25, 1913, just a few days before leaving office to make way for the administration of Woodrow Wilson. Knox acknowledged that four of those states (Utah, Conn, R.I. and N.H.) had rejected it, and he counted 38 states as having approved it. We will now examine some of the key evidence Bill Benson found regarding the approval of the amendment in many of those states.





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Old 04-15-2009, 05:31 PM
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Below a link to a US Court ruling in Illinois on the 16th Ammendment!

A legal document.

BTW, they look just like the court documents in Canada.



http://74.6.146.244/search/cache?ei=...icp=1&.intl=ca
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Below a link to a US Court ruling in Illinois on the 16th Ammendment!

A legal document.

BTW, they look just like the court documents in Canada.



http://74.6.146.244/search/cache?ei=...icp=1&.intl=ca
DEFENDANT’S “THE LAW THAT NEVER WAS” BRIEF


This is not a court ruling this is the defendants brief. You should see some of the quack briefs I see. Last week I saw one from a woman who claimed to be the daughter of Marilyn Monroe and Elvis Presley and that WAMTA was descriminating against her because of this.
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defendant’s “the law that never was” brief


this is not a court ruling this is the defendants brief. You should see some of the quack briefs i see. Last week i saw one from a woman who claimed to be the daughter of marilyn monroe and elvis presley and that wamta was descriminating against her because of this.
"wamta" ? (can't capitalize acronyms here again?).

What's WAMTA? and why are they persecuting my sister?
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"wamta" ? (can't capitalize acronyms here again?).

What's WAMTA? and why are they persecuting my sister?
It should have been WMATA - Washington Metro Area Transit Authority.
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It should have been WMATA - Washington Metro Area Transit Authority.
Yeah, all of us who are the secret love child of imaginary celebrity unions get hassled every time we try and ride the bus or light rail. Makes it hard to find the strength to get out of the dumpster each morning. That and the Ripple. That makes it hard to do anything.
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:18 PM
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Re: Is There Valid Law Authorizing Income Taxes?

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DEFENDANT’S “THE LAW THAT NEVER WAS” BRIEF


This is not a court ruling this is the defendants brief. You should see some of the quack briefs I see. Last week I saw one from a woman who claimed to be the daughter of Marilyn Monroe and Elvis Presley and that WAMTA was descriminating against her because of this.
You are correct. it is an unsigned petition.

Ron doesn't know that makes it 100% meaningless. We have no idea if it was ever even served.

Ron seemingly has a lack of understanding.
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