Can Women Pastor ?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

We find ourselves engaged in war. Just as Deborah had no time to waste on those that were not willing to come to the aid of the Lord neither do I waste my time and talents arguing over who may go to war. From the earliest documents of church history we find noble men and women working together for a common cause. I am sure noble women know how to conduct themselves around men for noble women respect men.
The most important task of the church is reaching out to the lost. His last testament last words before returning to heaven were, “go into all the world… teach all nations… pray that laborers would be sent into the harvest…´ Last words are reserved for the most important things. Soul winning was one of the most important task He gave to the church.

What does all of this have to do w/ God-Breathed Scriptural instructions to the Church? And, again, you seem big on supposed Church history, most of which is trinitarian [will you also champion their cause?].

I've observed this over the years w/ women preachers, they invariably ALWAYS appeal outside of the Word of God to "confirm" their doctrine. Why? Because the hot light of Scripture will reveal their flawed theology, thus they have to go somewhere else to "confirm" their doctrine.

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by rdp

What does all of this have to do w/ God-Breathed Scriptural instructions to the Church? And, again, you seem big on supposed Church history, most of which is trinitarian [will you also champion their cause?].

I've observed this over the years w/ women preachers, they invariably ALWAYS appeal outside of the Word of God to "confirm" their doctrine. Why? Because the hot light of Scripture will reveal their flawed theology, thus they have to go somewhere else to "confirm" their doctrine.

YOU HAVE OBSERVED WITH WOMEN PREACHERS...LOL...I KNOW LOT´S OF MALE PREACHERS THAT USE HISTORY TO PROVE THINGS...


have you forgotton our BIBLES were translated by trinitarians????
and do you know that the Portuguese Bible reads different than your English Bible on many occasions?


I AM no Bible teacher...however I am a history teacher.



Acts 18:24-26 (King James Version)

24And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

25This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

26And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly...


Priscilla was well versed in scriptures and helped expoud the word of GOD TO A MAN....

Paul never rebuked her for that but called her Prisca..


Noticeably, Paul refers to neither Prisca nor Junia as “wives.” Paul greets this couple of Priscilla and Aquilla because of “their work for the gospel.” Romans 16:3, “Greet Priscilla and Aquilla, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus. They risked their lives for me (NIV).” Paul doesn’t differentiate between Priscilla and her husband Aquilla; rather, he calls them both by the name sunergous (Strongs #4904 meaning fellow worker with him).[xiv] Later in 16:21, Paul calls Timothy by the same name. In Phil.2:4 Paul calls all apostles who were his co-workers, among whom was Luke, by this same word.[xv]

Paul later referred to this couple as his, “helpers in Christ Jesus… who have for my life laid down their own necks” (Rom. 16:4). Paul probably wrote some of his Epistles from their home at Ephesus. Priscilla and Aquilla instructed Appolos, who was already “mighty in the scriptures” (Acts 18:24), into a more excellent way.

Paul mentions the name of Priscilla (Prisca) before her husband, which was against the common practice of the time. (The King James Version actually reverses the Greek order by placing Aquilla before Priscilla, but in the Greek text Priscilla is the first noted, as also in Acts 18:26.)



On and on we could go on...but you make light of everything I say...so we will never agree...like I said it is best to stop because you will never convince me women have no part in the ministry because they do...

Histroy proves there were far more women that went to foreign fields at certain times than men to be missionaries. We personally raised 5 children that their mother was martyed in Paraguay for preaching...

I personally have never used the term that God called me to preach but HE did call me to be a missionary...and if I do not obey HIS call I will be lost...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

YOU HAVE OBSERVED WITH WOMEN PREACHERS...LOL...I KNOW LOT´S OF MALE PREACHERS THAT USE HISTORY TO PROVE THINGS...


have you forgotton our BIBLES were translated by trinitarians????
and do you know that the Portuguese Bible reads different than your English Bible on many occasions?


I AM no Bible teacher...however I am a history teacher.



Acts 18:24-26 (King James Version)

24And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

25This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

26And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly...


Priscilla was well versed in scriptures and helped expoud the word of GOD TO A MAN....

Paul never rebuked her for that but called her Prisca..


Noticeably, Paul refers to neither Prisca nor Junia as “wives.” Paul greets this couple of Priscilla and Aquilla because of “their work for the gospel.” Romans 16:3, “Greet Priscilla and Aquilla, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus. They risked their lives for me (NIV).” Paul doesn’t differentiate between Priscilla and her husband Aquilla; rather, he calls them both by the name sunergous (Strongs #4904 meaning fellow worker with him).[xiv] Later in 16:21, Paul calls Timothy by the same name. In Phil.2:4 Paul calls all apostles who were his co-workers, among whom was Luke, by this same word.[xv]

Paul later referred to this couple as his, “helpers in Christ Jesus… who have for my life laid down their own necks” (Rom. 16:4). Paul probably wrote some of his Epistles from their home at Ephesus. Priscilla and Aquilla instructed Appolos, who was already “mighty in the scriptures” (Acts 18:24), into a more excellent way.

Paul mentions the name of Priscilla (Prisca) before her husband, which was against the common practice of the time. (The King James Version actually reverses the Greek order by placing Aquilla before Priscilla, but in the Greek text Priscilla is the first noted, as also in Acts 18:26.)



On and on we could go on...but you make light of everything I say...so we will never agree...like I said it is best to stop because you will never convince me women have no part in the ministry because they do...

Histroy proves there were far more women that went to foreign fields at certain times than men to be missionaries. We personally raised 5 children that their mother was martyed in Paraguay for preaching...

I personally have never used the term that God called me to preach but HE did call me to be a missionary...and if I do not obey HIS call I will be lost...

So if I write a letter from someone's home, refer to a husband & wife as "fellow-labourers in the gospel," mention a husband & wife giving a home Bible study to someone, refer to Jill before John, are they automatically deemed as "Preachers"????????????? This is arguing from assumption, not the actual texts. Besides, there's no sense in my dealing w/ these age old arguments until you can directly deal w/ I Tim. 2:11-15, I Cor. 14:34...just for starters.

I know that you will not change your mind, because you base your doctrine on experience & supposed church history [trinitarian at that], not plainly written Scriptural instruction to the church...until it comes to the hair issue/modesty etc. It's called selectivity.

And I do not make light of everything you say, as I hold you in high regard for your sacrifices, as I've stated ad nauseum. But, sadly, you employ appeals outside of the Biblical texts in order to render Paul's plain teachings to the church ineffective. It's calles "Theological Sniping". That is, whem you simply try to take pot-shot's at someone's position, w/out providing any textual/exegetical explanation of the passages under consideration....such as I Tim. 2 & I Cor. 14:34.

[rdp]

Out of pocket for a couple of days..........blessings anyway!

[rdp]

[QUOTE=rdp;836926]So if I write a letter from someone's home, refer to a husband & wife as "fellow-labourers in the gospel," mention a husband & wife giving a home Bible study to someone, refer to Jill before John, are they automatically deemed as "Preachers"????????????? This is arguing from assumption, not the actual texts. Besides, there's no sense in my dealing w/ these age old arguments until you can directly deal w/ I Tim. 2:11-15, I Cor. 14:34...just for starters.

I know that you will not change your mind, because you base your doctrine on experience & supposed church history [trinitarian at that], not plainly written Scriptural instruction to the church...until it comes to the hair issue/modesty etc. It's called selectivity.

And I do not make light of everything you say, as I hold you in high regard for your sacrifices, as I've stated ad nauseum. But, sadly, you employ appeals outside of the Biblical texts in order to render Paul's plain teachings to the church ineffective. It's calles "Theological Sniping". That is, whem you simply try to take pot-shot's at someone's position, w/out providing any textual/exegetical explanation of the passages under consideration....such as I Tim. 2 & I Cor. 14:34.[/QUOTE/]

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by rdp

So if I write a letter from someone's home, refer to a husband & wife as "fellow-labourers in the gospel," mention a husband & wife giving a home Bible study to someone, refer to Jill before John, are they automatically deemed as "Preachers"????????????? This is arguing from assumption, not the actual texts. Besides, there's no sense in my dealing w/ these age old arguments until you can directly deal w/ I Tim. 2:11-15, I Cor. 14:34...just for starters.

I know that you will not change your mind, because you base your doctrine on experience & supposed church history [trinitarian at that], not plainly written Scriptural instruction to the church...until it comes to the hair issue/modesty etc. It's called selectivity.

And I do not make light of everything you say, as I hold you in high regard for your sacrifices, as I've stated ad nauseum. But, sadly, you employ appeals outside of the Biblical texts in order to render Paul's plain teachings to the church ineffective. It's calles "Theological Sniping". That is, whem you simply try to take pot-shot's at someone's position, w/out providing any textual/exegetical explanation of the passages under consideration....such as I Tim. 2 & I Cor. 14:34.

Please be advised that the first and second century church met in homes not church buildings. Every church service was essentially a "home Bible study". What we know as Church today is far from what the Apostles would recognize.

[Sister Alvear]

Soul winning is so important to me that at barely 18 I left all to follow...Over 41 years ago...

[Sister Alvear]

A group of Branhamite people told me recently that they thought 1Corinthians 14:34 meant a woman couldn’t preach. In Brazil, (I don’t know about in the States) they believe in speaking in tongues, singing, and much more. I asked them if their women received the Holy Ghost. Their answer was yes. I asked them how could they receive the Holy Ghost in silence? Well, of course they didn’t know that answer. Neither do they know a lot other answers to what I classify as a doctrine invented in hell.
Perversion of a woman’s role was surely schemed up by the devil himself. In one of the Branham's books, I read the words that the woman was made to be low, dirty, and vile (Portuguese). Men were to be like one rooster in the chicken pen or one bull among the many cows.
One false doctrine leads to another one. Just as they have no proof that I Corinthians 14:34 means that a woman can’t preach, neither have they any proof or grounds for the serpent seed doctrine.
Tears fill my eyes to see the homes that have split up because of their rib message.
Jeremiah 9:17: "Thus saith the Lord of hosts, consider ye and call for the mourning women, that they come and send for cunning women that they come, and let them make haste, and take up a wailing for us."
Since cunning may be translated "wise" in Hebrew, we understand that Jehovah called upon the wise women to show interest and concern in matters of State (Huldah, II Kings 22:14).

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

A group of Branhamite people told me recently that they thought 1Corinthians 14:34 meant a woman couldn’t preach. In Brazil, (I don’t know about in the States) they believe in speaking in tongues, singing, and much more. I asked them if their women received the Holy Ghost. Their answer was yes. I asked them how could they receive the Holy Ghost in silence? Well, of course they didn’t know that answer. Neither do they know a lot other answers to what I classify as a doctrine invented in hell.
Perversion of a woman’s role was surely schemed up by the devil himself. In one of the Branham's books, I read the words that the woman was made to be low, dirty, and vile (Portuguese). Men were to be like one rooster in the chicken pen or one bull among the many cows.
One false doctrine leads to another one. Just as they have no proof that I Corinthians 14:34 means that a woman can’t preach, neither have they any proof or grounds for the serpent seed doctrine.
Tears fill my eyes to see the homes that have split up because of their rib message.
Jeremiah 9:17: "Thus saith the Lord of hosts, consider ye and call for the mourning women, that they come and send for cunning women that they come, and let them make haste, and take up a wailing for us."
Since cunning may be translated "wise" in Hebrew, we understand that Jehovah called upon the wise women to show interest and concern in matters of State (Huldah, II Kings 22:14).

Simply untrue. Their IS Biblical "proof" that I Cor. 14:34 forbids women from preaching in a church setting. You have to look no further than the definition of the term "speak/Lale'o". These people simply have not done their homework, & yes, their "serpent seed " doctrine is nonsense, but ALL false doctrine is wrong, including the doctrine of women preachers in the church.

[Sister Alvear]

Banning women from ministry began with the so called church fathers...it was their quills that degraded women...not the quills of Holy men of OLD...