Can Women Pastor ?

[Sister Alvear]

. I’ve taught this throughout Brazil so that people could understand God’s complete plan of redemption. Now others, too, may come to acknowledge the truth that women are being used as valuable instruments in the hand of God. I cringe to think that some may think I am putting men down and building up the sisters but that is not true it is only that what this book will be about is about sisters. I really feel that many sisters have stepped in because there was no man to do the job yet at other times I feel that there are those that were called from their mother’s womb. I long for the day when men and women will shake hands in agreement, together walking in Christ one mind and one accord reaching out to a hurting and dying world.
I never really “heard the voice of the Lord” call me to go “preach”, but He did call me to be a missionary. One day I heard him call my name. He told me to go to the people of Brazil. What could the word “missionary” mean? The meaning of “missionary” has various meanings to various people. One dictionary says it is a group of envoys (representatives or messengers) to a foreign country.
Well for me, it has meant going into the cities, the villages, the jungles, and telling a pagan people about the life-changing story of Jesus Christ. It has meant being challenged by witch doctors and priests, being threatened by bandits, standing before cannibal Indians, working in a leper colony as well as speaking in public schools and universities of Brazil.
It meant going into places where male preachers had never been yet they speak evil of me for being willing to go. I had to wade across alligator-infested streams just to reach and baptize new converts. Being a missionary meant mixing mortar and laying bricks to build new churches. It meant performing weddings, burying the dead, and sometimes delivering babies.
It meant teaching new converts and preparing people for the ministry. It meant seeing a work be born and grow into maturity. It meant hours of radio programs. It meant long nights without sleep, traveling in the back lands, drinking contaminated water and eating all kinds of so called foods (some of which were indescribable). It meant sharing rooms with bats, rats, and all sorts of animals that crawled and flew at night.
It meant sitting in the conventions in the homeland and listening to men who made cutting remarks about women in the ministry. It meant being willing to go against the tide and obey a call that is stronger than meager earthly ties. It meant being different from the ordinary. It meant loving souls, no matter the circumstances. It meant taking in abandoned children or children whose mother was murdered, adopting them and loving them like my own. It meant traveling down the lonely road of not knowing where the next meal would come from, nor the money to pay for the food should it come our way.
Perhaps most prophets and prophetesses in the Bible had to travel down lonely roads themselves to obey God yet they could not understand why at that moment. I, too, am at a loss for words to describe the desolate anguish I had experienced at times. Equally difficult to explain is the call of God so strong in my heart. Maybe it’s all part of being a missionary. How can you describe a feeling to deep for words, a call to sacred to play with? This burden so heavy that it never disappears. Maybe we could compare it with Jack London’s call f the wild.
While the church leaders agree all must hear and obey to be saved, the clergy fuss about who tells the story. What difference does it make which gender pulls a burning person from the flame? Or what difference does it make that a man or woman, male or female, saves the drowning persons from a torrid river?

[Sister Alvear]

Now all this comes from somene that has never said God called me to do anything other than be a missionary...

[Sam]

Sis. Alvear,
Ignore our silly nitpicking, theorizing, and wrangling and keep right on doing what God has called you to do. Your ministry has much more fruit than most (if not all) of us men on this forum.

[Sister Alvear]

I just feel for the millions that perish without one voice....and people are so carnal to fuss who takes the message and if it cannot be a man then the attitude is, let them perish...angels must be weeping...

[Sister Alvear]

whether he was oneness or whatever he still knew what was happening in his day much more than we do...
I have no problem with my husband being the head...I think Godly women all know who is the head...I do not do any church work without his bidding and covering...

Why would it even matter to you that I teach men if needed the way to heaven?

I am speaking in just a few minutes at a church I started and was the first pastor some 27 or so years ago...

They have cooked a special meal for us...I am sure they are grateful that a woman not only came to them but the church building I built with my own hands...they will be forever grateful...

Where was Brother Alvear during this time? In another little city starting the church our son pastor's today....

We work together, rejoice together...and someday will spend eternity together in the presence of the Lord...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

whether he was oneness or whatever he still knew what was happening in his day much more than we do...
I have no problem with my husband being the head...I think Godly women all know who is the head...I do not do any church work without his bidding and covering...

Why would it even matter to you that I teach men if needed the way to heaven?

I am speaking in just a few minutes at a church I started and was the first pastor some 27 or so years ago...

They have cooked a special meal for us...I am sure they are grateful that a woman not only came to them but the church building I built with my own hands...they will be forever grateful...

Where was Brother Alvear during this time? In another little city starting the church our son pastor's today....

We work together, rejoice together...and someday will spend eternity together in the presence of the Lord...

So I suppose we'll just throw I Tim. 2:11-15/I Cor. 14:34 out the window? Hmmm, strange that some don't do this w/ Paul's teachings on faith. It's selectivity. As for me & my house, we'll obey the plain teachings of the Scriptures.

[Trouvere]

Mar 15:41 (Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.

What is the church if not the body of Jesus? What is the Spirit of Prophecy?
Rev.19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy?

How about this one?
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
to prophesy is to preach not more not less. It is preaching under divine inspiration. We cannot say handmaidens of the Lord are not called to
prophesy.

The word from the greek text says doulos which is the male servant and doule which is the female servant. These words are equal in duty. Neither of these are describing a different form of service. Both are servants only gender is denoted as to include both. Go to the Greek yourself and look it up don't just take my word for it.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Mar 15:41 (Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.

What's the point here? How does this invalidate Paul's clear instructions to the churches [i.e., I Tim. 2 & I Cor. 14]?

What is the church if not the body of Jesus? What is the Spirit of Prophecy?
Rev.19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy?

I've said repeatedly that women can prophesy. But we need to 1st define biblical prophecy, as I'll do below [for about the 30th time]. And of course EVERYONE should testify about Christ. What does this have to do w/ "women preachers in the church"?

How about this one?
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
to prophesy is to preach not more not less. It is preaching under divine inspiration. We cannot say handmaidens of the Lord are not called to
prophesy.

How convenient that you leave out the primary definition of prophecy, which is "to foretell" Strong's/Vine's, etc. This is scholastical dishonesty. But even if we go w/ the secondary definition of prophecy [i.e., "speak under inspiration"], this is still a spontaneous utterance via "inspiration/breath/wind"....not a premeditated sermon from the Scriptures as seen in contemporary ekklesia.

The word from the greek text says doulos which is the male servant and doule which is the female servant. These words are equal in duty. Neither of these are describing a different form of service. Both are servants only gender is denoted as to include both. Go to the Greek yourself and look it up don't just take my word for it.

And how does this override Paul's clear teachings regarding women teachers/preachers????

[Sister Alvear]

He will not accept truth...I have decided it is a waste of time...anyone that reads the BIBLE Knows that Jesus went against the norms of His day by blessing children, letting women be his disciples, and even calling a woman a daughter of Abraham...unheard of in the days of Jesus.
If it would not have been for women not even the life of Moses would have been saved...to downplay the work of women especially in this dispensation is to undo the work of Calvary....

Until then only certain men could be priests today we are all considered priests..and we will reign (rule) with HIM...not just men but women too...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

He will not accept truth...I have decided it is a waste of time.

Wrong, I do "accept truth", such as "I do NOT ALLOW A WOMAN TO TEACH, OR TO EXCERCISE AUTHORITY OVER A MAN. SHE IS TO REMAIN SILENT." Whi in their right mind would read these instructions to the church & say, "Oh, God calls women to preach!?!?" I think we need to redefine "truth".

..anyone that reads the BIBLE Knows that Jesus went against the norms of His day by blessing children, letting women be his disciples, and even calling a woman a daughter of Abraham...unheard of in the days of Jesus.
If it would not have been for women not even the life of Moses would have been saved...to downplay the work of women especially in this dispensation is to undo the work of Calvary....

Not hardly. Which of these women delivered sermons to men from the Scriptures:__________? Been waiting for someone to fill in this blank for months now.

Until then only certain men could be priests today we are all considered priests..and we will reign (rule) with HIM...not just men but women too...

Of course women will be saved [i.e., "priests ruling w/ Him"], who ever said otherwise? But still waiting for the Biblical example of a woman "preaching in, or to, the church":__________?