Oneness and Trinitarian Unity?

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The problem here I see is something I see with a lot of OPs and even Trinitarians...failing to define terms.

You said "If you say Jesus is the only"
And I ask...only what?
He said "only thing"
And I ask...what is a thing? Is Jesus just a thing?
Chan knows what I believe as a Oneness and he said it right. I believe there is ONLY one Person to God and that Person has two different modes or forms of being that are Father and Son. The Son is distinct from the Father in that he has a complete human nature and having a complete human nature he is then also psychologically someone other than God, but not ontologically or hypostatically. Jesus, the Son, has a human psyche, mind and will so that he functions as another person, but hypostatically and ontologically He and the Father are the same

I mean that Jesus can be anything and everything to anybody. He is not restricted to being only the saviour.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I mean that Jesus can be anything and everything to anybody. He is not restricted to being only the saviour.

Jesus, in the bible, is called God, Lord (kurios), Great High Priest, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace....he is a lot of things to us,

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by OGIA

I forgive you.


Shame on them Oneness folk!!



JT, God does not desire unity with untruth. You can seek it all day long, buddy, but you can count me out. They either accept the truth of Oneness or they don't. I will not compromise the truth that God died for just so I can say I desire unity. That is NOT the unity the Lord speaks of OR blesses.

So I am a big baby? No body is whinning unless it is you. I am just giving you my view of it. If you think I am wrong that is ok, because you have a right to be wrong. So do I. The fact is the bible does not say believe in only one god and your saved and that is final. Just saying there is one god does nothing in itself.

Let me ask you something. If a trinitarian believes and preaches Acts 2:38 but does not teach the Mighty God in Christ, then are they unsaved? Infact ask some oneness people and they will tell you Acts 2:38 is the saving Gospel, but Acts 2:38 is what we do in our response to the Gospel.

Look, I am not saying to compromise truth, I am saying that there is alot that can be done that we can do together and not bicker about oneness and baptismal formual. See what is happening is that oneness people like you are singling yourselves out at all knowing and talking down the beliefs the trinitarians have. You can witness to them and show them oneness with out making them fill stupid or making yourself sound that way. By the way Jesus did not die for truth. He is truth and He died for our salvation.

[sola gratia]

hmmm

[sola gratia]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

A Trinitarian is NOT a Christian in the Biblical sense no more than a Mormon is a Christian or a JW is a Christian or a Catholic is a Christian. You sir are the one who is off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is absolute TRASH! Nothing more.

You have no biblical sense if this is what you think. If your ever man enough to biblically debate the issue let me know Epley. So far it’s a lot of grandstanding and typical trash rhetoric! You should be ashamed, but you won't. You're decieved into thinking you're being strong to the faith...you're sadly dissallusioned

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

So I am a big baby?

No. I was using that as a reference to my infantile comprehension ability when compared to yours.

Let me ask you something. If a trinitarian believes and preaches Acts 2:38 but does not teach the Mighty God in Christ, then are they unsaved?

Let me ask you something: do you think God accepts the worship of one who worships Him as Allah or Adonai or Vishnu or Brahma?

I am saying that there is alot that can be done that we can do together and not bicker about oneness and baptismal formual. See what is happening is that oneness people like you are singling yourselves out at all knowing and talking down the beliefs the trinitarians have. You can witness to them and show them oneness with out making them fill stupid or making yourself sound that way.

You might wanna come walk in my shoes for a while before you start making judgment calls.

By the way Jesus did not die for truth.

If you say so.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

This is absolute TRASH! Nothing more.

You have no biblical sense if this is what you think. If your ever man enough to biblically debate the issue let me know Epley. So far it’s a lot of grandstanding and typical trash rhetoric! You should be ashamed, but you won't. You're decieved into thinking you're being strong to the faith...you're sadly dissallusioned

Herein is an example of leaving the argument and diverting to personal attacks.

And the discussion ceases, and your point is lost.

[ChicagoPastor]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

NAMES????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????


You like all those Jewish congregations????????????????

Jim Bakker's niece is a licensed minister in the VA dist of the UPC
She will tell you that the family was baptized in Jesus name.

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I know someone who was raised AOG and both his parents were licensed...he was given the choice, triune formula or Jesus name and he chose Jesus name.

I have friends that left my church over standards to go to an independent Apostolic church. They moved up north where there was just a UPC and when she told the pastor there why she left us down here he decided not to have her family there. So her and her hubby and their boys started going to an AOG. She has been very upfront about her belief in baptism in Jesus name and her view of the Godhead. They are both very much involved in the AOG. He is on the board now and she teaches classes. Her last two boys are going to be baptized by that pastor in Jesus name.

BTW Paul Price told her if they ever wanted to have then baptized in Jesus name he would do it too....she was shocked when I told her recently that PP was a pretty conservative UPCer

Does this mean that this family doesn't hold to standards?

[Whole Hearted]

[QUOTE=Steve Epley;78092]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

A Trinitarian is NOT a Christian in the Biblical sense no more than a Mormon is a Christian or a JW is a Christian or a Catholic is a Christian. You sir are the one who is off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!