Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

The Jewelry subject is like the por-tithe subject, alot of scriptures ignored or dismissed.

Couldn't agree more!

[Jeffrey]

Very conservative ESV:

1Likewise, wives,(A) be subject to your own husbands, so that(B) even if some do not obey the word,(C) they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, 2when they see your(D) respectful and pure conduct. 3(E) Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— 4but let your adorning be(F) the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God’s sight is very precious.

Can't get any more clear than this

Not material things (particular to what they were probably wearing and related to -- women had jewelry, did their hair and concerned themselves with clothing), but the "hidden person of the heart."

[Godsdrummer]

I just had a thought I would be interested in how many have been pursuaded by RDP that Jewelry is wrong by this thread and how many see that he is wrong.

I for one have had my views cemented even more from this thread. And that is on the side of you can wear Jewelry.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

I just had a thought I would be interested in how many have been pursuaded by RDP that Jewelry is wrong by this thread and how many see that he is wrong.

Have led many, many out of the jewelry camp over the years by just allowing the text to define itself.

I for one have had my views cemented even more from this thread. And that is on the side of you can wear Jewelry.

Yes, because you make the Word of God of no affect & simply believe what you want to believe.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Very conservative ESV:

1Likewise, wives,(A) be subject to your own husbands, so that(B) even if some do not obey the word,(C) they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, 2when they see your(D) respectful and pure conduct. 3(E) Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— 4but let your adorning be(F) the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God’s sight is very precious.

Can't get any more clear than this

Very good Jeffrey...did you see where it "clearly" says "Do N-O-T let your adorning be external...putting on of GOLD JEWELRY..." Dude, can not read??? Astounding how you can quote it & then deny it!

Not material things (particular to what they were probably wearing and related to -- women had jewelry, did their hair and concerned themselves with clothing), but the "hidden person of the heart."

Precisely Watson! "N-O-T material things...", like jewelry! Good grief...this is crazy & a total waste of my time. Repent & believe what you quote Jeffrey!

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rdp

Precisely Watson! "N-O-T material things...", like jewelry! Good grief...this is crazy & a total waste of my time. Repent & believe what you quote Jeffrey!

I get a kick out of you.

Women, your true adorning is not external (not a prohibition on all things external), but it's internal. The weightier things are immaterial.

It's not a prohibition. It's called the human language. It's a beautiful thing when you let the Apostle say what he wants.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I get a kick out of you.

Likewise.....

Women, your true adorning is not external (not a prohibition on all things external), but it's internal. The weightier things are immaterial.



It's not a prohibition. It's called the human language. It's a beautiful thing when you let the Apostle say what he wants.

I do, which is exactly why we do not wear & teach aginst jewelry. The 2 foremost apostles told us not to! You should simply believe what he says.

Ever heard of the Golden Rule Of Interpretation Jeffrey? See here [paraphrased from memorization]: When the common sense understanding of the text makes plain sense, seek no other sense. Therefore, let every statement stand on its own merit, unless the immediate context dictates otherwise.

No Jeffrey, I didn't just make that up...you should give this hermeneutical principle a try sometime...instead of deriding things you apparently do not understand.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rdp

I do, which is exactly why we do not wear & teach aginst jewelry. The 2 foremost apostles told us not to! You should simply believe what he says.

Ever heard of the Golden Rule Of Interpretation Jeffrey? See here [paraphrased from memorization]: When the common sense understanding of the text makes plain sense, seek no other sense. Therefore, let every statement stand on its own merit, unless the immediate context dictates otherwise.

No Jeffrey, I didn't just make that up...you should give this hermeneutical principle a try sometime...instead of deriding things you apparently do not understand.

Wow. All that from memory? So proud.

What you described is from the text book of the Literal Method of Interpretation. What you fail to understand is this, also included in the "Golden Rule":

The literal method of interpretation is that method that gives to each word the same exact basic meaning it would have in normal, ordinary, customary usage, whether employed in writing, speaking or thinking.

That's all I've argued on here. To give to the meaning of the verse what it should in customary usage.... nothing else. No one is saying the Apostle is speaking in a metaphor here and that all his words are symbolic.


http://www.biblefragrances.com/studies/interp.html

It's a good site

Not exactly the stuff I've read from Fee and Stewart or from Duvall.

You're making a false accusation, brother. There's no getting around the fact that you've responded to a well-reasoned point with basically nothing.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rdp

Precisely Watson! "N-O-T material things...", like jewelry! Good grief...this is crazy & a total waste of my time. Repent & believe what you quote Jeffrey!

Repent?? LOL You really wonder why we call you a Pharisee?

Not material things - like jewelry (just one of the material examples he lists). Take away the "for examples" and it reads: Not material things/external things, but the ornaments of the heart. This isn't an either/or, it's where the young woman finds her beauty. It's stating something I've heard since I was little, that "true beauty is not found in your skin."

It's sad when someone fixates on something so hard that they can't see anything else. That's where you are, RDP. Don't have OCD here. Is Paul's intention to create New Testament list of prohibitions? You really believe that despite the evidence we've discussed?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Repent?? LOL You really wonder why we call you a Pharisee?

And we call you wordly & liberal. So, again, one label is just as good as another. Back to the text....

Not material things - like jewelry (just one of the material examples he lists). Take away the "for examples" and it reads: Not material things/external things, but the ornaments of the heart. This isn't an either/or, it's where the young woman finds her beauty. It's stating something I've heard since I was little, that "true beauty is not found in your skin."

It's sad when someone fixates on something so hard that they can't see anything else. That's where you are, RDP. Don't have OCD here. Is Paul's intention to create New Testament list of prohibitions? You really believe that despite the evidence we've discussed?

Of course the context is the showy, extravagant, glitsy, etc. Which is exactly the reason he stated not to adorn yourself in "gold jewelry, pearls, & costly apparel." What's "sad" is how you attempt to expalin away God-Breathed Scripture in favor of your theology. Regarding the "evidence," what "evidence" Jeffrey? If I say, "Look, I'm a cow"? Does that make me a cow? Assertions are "evidence." You fella's only assume what you cannot prove from the actual text.