Isaiah 3 and jewelry... - Page 27

rdp · #1 08-12-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

For every text in the Bible that some would use to say that Bible is speaking negatively about jewelry, there are 2 or 3 in which God speaks of them favorably.

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried! I looked exhaustively at these "positive" verses regarding jewelry about 2 yrs. ago & sorry to tell you, but the anti-jewelry verses outweighes the so-called "positive" verses. To make matters even worse, virtually everyone of the "positive" verses are metaphorical! And, EVERYONE of them are OT passages....just as polygamy, animal sacrifices, etc. Sorry Charlie, try again!

The real issues come down to:

Self-worth and Pride: Where does your self-worth come from? Is it jewels? Riches? Material possessions? Are all things in our life submitted to the lordship of Christ?

If all things are submitted to the Lordship of Christ, then you'll obey His written Word...not go thru 4-5 posts to render it ineffective.

Seeing Paul's exhortation (like many do with 1 Cor 11) as some new prohibition in Scripture is frightening.

Not "new" at all. Is. 3, Ex. 33, Gen. 35, etc. all condemn the literal ornamentation of His people. Metaphorical verses do not override literal condemnations by YHWH.

Busy 2mmorrow, but try to look in briefly....rdp.

Truthseeker · #2 08-13-2010, 02:46 PM

So it seems the whole jewelry debate hinges on "not with". No supporting commands in it the OT law or elsewhere.

rdp · #3 08-13-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

So it seems the whole jewelry debate hinges on "not with". No supporting commands in it the OT law or elsewhere.

Contrare Monfrare': Deut. 7:25, Ex. 33, Is. 3, I Tim. 2, I Ptr. 3, etc.

Truthseeker · #4 08-13-2010, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp

Contrare Monfrare': Deut. 7:25, Ex. 33, Is. 3, I Tim. 2, I Ptr. 3, etc.

Got to go work but will be back to address the scriptures you gave. But for now:

4And when the people heard these evil tidings, they mourned: and no man did put on him his ornaments.

5For the LORD had said unto Moses, Say unto the children of Israel, Ye are a stiffnecked people: I will come up into the midst of thee in a moment, and consume thee: therefore now put off thy ornaments from thee, that I may know what to do unto thee.

This doesn't support no ornaments, it was a time when Israel should have been in mourning. Ornaments/clothing can represents joy/blessing/favor, not something to wear during a mourning time. Even worldly folks don't deck out at a funeral or during tragic times.

rdp · #5 08-13-2010, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Got to go work but will be back to address the scriptures you gave. But for now:

4And when the people heard these evil tidings, they mourned: and no man did put on him his ornaments.

5For the LORD had said unto Moses, Say unto the children of Israel, Ye are a stiffnecked people: I will come up into the midst of thee in a moment, and consume thee: therefore now PUT OFF [not "on"] THY ORNAMENTS [did you overlook this part?] from thee, that I may know what to do unto thee.

This doesn't support no ornaments, it was a time when Israel should have been in mourning. Ornaments/clothing can represents joy/blessing/favor, not something to wear during a mourning time. Even worldly folks don't deck out at a funeral or during tragic times.

More eisegesis I see...unstated in the text. Man you fella's just don't get it do you? Why tamper w/ God's Word like that? Do you not fear God?

RandyWayne · #6 08-13-2010, 03:07 PM

Someone tells a young father to "encourage your son with praise, not with gifts". If the young father was rdp he would proceed to never buy his son a birthday, Christmas, wedding, or any other gift, ever again. So strong is the UC rule-based mindset for which all of salvation is tightly bound.

rdp · #7 08-13-2010, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Someone tells a young father to "encourage your son with praise, not with gifts". If the young father was rdp he would proceed to never buy his son a birthday, Christmas, wedding, or any other gift, ever again. So strong is the UC rule-based mindset for which all of salvation is tightly bound.

"Beware lest any man spoil you with PHILOSOPHY, after the TRADITIONS OF MEN.....". Nice excercise in Freudian Philosophy RandyWayne, but think I'll stick w/ the Book!

Besides, does one HAVE to obey the biblical teachings on repentance to be saved? Watch that banana peel.....you "legalist."

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RandyWayne · #8 08-13-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp

"Beware lest any man spoil you with PHILOSOPHY, after the TRADITIONS OF MEN.....". Nice excercise in Freudian Philosophy RandyWayne, but think I'll stick w/ the Book!

Besides, does one HAVE to obey the biblical teachings on repentance to be saved? Watch that banana peel.....you "legalist."

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You do not want to see my 192 rules "to be saved by"! It would make the Ferengi's "Rules of Acquisitions" pale in comparison!

And I don't know why you brought Freud into it, there was not one mention of your mother (how is she by the way?).

What I was simply doing, is using an IDENTICAL use of the word "not" to that used in the verses you continually throw out, in an attempt to clarify its meaning.

rdp · #9 08-14-2010, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

You do not want to see my 192 rules "to be saved by"! It would make the Ferengi's "Rules of Acquisitions" pale in comparison!

More adding to the Word I see...moving right along....

And I don't know why you brought Freud into it, there was not one mention of your mother (how is she by the way?).

Yes, reeeeeeeeeal "Christian". Who in the world takes you seriously? I certainly don't. Save your philosophical reasonings for the simple. I have a Bible!

What I was simply doing, is using an IDENTICAL use of the word "not" to that used in the verses you continually throw out, in an attempt to clarify its meaning.

Equivocation Fallacy alert! You really need to study a bit on logical fallacies...you commit them all of the time, as demonstrated above.

RandyWayne · #10 08-14-2010, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp

Equivocation Fallacy alert! You really need to study a bit on logical fallacies...you commit them all of the time, as demonstrated above.

Honestly RDP, were you once a cast member of Monty Python? Some of your "logic" you continually either use (or avoid) would make a great skit.

I am glad that none of us weigh the same as a duck around you.....