Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Your obvously missing the point regarding ornaments can mean more then just jewelry, but can include clothing????

Do you attend a church where ties and colorful dresses are worn?

Difference: The Bible does not say "not with clothes" [which is silly anyway...spare me I Ptr. 3]. But it does explicitly state: "Not with gold jewelry, pearls, or costly apparel." Do you believe those words addressed to the NT church:__________? Y, or N?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by rdp

Difference: The Bible does not say "not with clothes" [which is silly anyway...spare me I Ptr. 3]. But it does explicitly state: "Not with gold jewelry, pearls, or costly apparel." Do you believe those words addressed to the NT church:__________? Y, or N?

Adorn not with includes apparel.

1 Peter 3:3

3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold , or of putting on of apparel;
KJV


Now what's the whole purpose of ties,. colored shirts, fancy dresses etc....Adornment!

[Truthseeker]

Rev 21:2-3

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
KJV


The city is adorned as bride. "tabernacle of God is with men"




Rev 21:18-22

18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper : and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper ; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it
KJV


One decked out tabernacle/temple.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Rev 21:2-3

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
KJV


The city is adorned as bride. "tabernacle of God is with men"




Rev 21:18-22

18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper : and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper ; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it
KJV


One decked out tabernacle/temple.

Yes, in heaven...we're not in heaven, we're on earth! You need to explain why NONE of the dwelling places of God on Earth had, nor have, the gold, silver, brass on the outside [minus your eraser theology], but ALWAYS on the inside. "Whatsoever things were written before hand were written for OUR admonition....".

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by rdp

Yes, in heaven...we're not in heaven, we're on earth! You need to explain why NONE of the dwelling places of God on Earth had, nor have, the gold, silver, brass on the outside [minus your eraser theology], but ALWAYS on the inside. "Whatsoever things were written before hand were written for OUR admonition....".

Did you read what was posted. Bible states the city is the tabenacle among men. The new jerusalem city is not in heaven but is the church now in the world.

The bible describe the city as bride adorned for her husband. doubt that was inner adornment.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Did you read what was posted. Bible states the city is the tabenacle among men. The new jerusalem city is not in heaven but is the church now in the world.

Obviously YOU'RE the one not reading what's written! Your verse is from the end of Rev., at the end of the eschaton....not the NT church age! So, your hermeneutical methodology is to pit Scripture against other Scriptures which you have no explanation for [e.g., I Tim. 2:9, I Ptr. 3:3].

It's called the Fallacy of Neglected Aspect in logic [save it Jeffrey!].You present a one-sided argument [Rev.] in favor to the perilous neglect of another side of the coin [I Tim. 2]. By the way, while your quoting from Rev., how about quoting the Bride who was clothed in pure white raiment in contrast w/ the whore of Babylon decked out in jewels! Hmmm, places your position in unfavourable fellowship to say the least! You guys just refuse to get it.......

The bible describe the city as bride adorned for her husband. doubt that was inner adornment.

Let me help you out here [probably to no avail]: The OT Tabernacle, Solomons Temple, the 2nd temple, the Man, Christ Jesus...were all the dwelling places of God ON EARTH [seize on that]....& yet N-O-N-E of them had the jewels/metals on the OUTSIDE, but always & ever on the INSIDE. This is the typological reason why Moses had Israel put the gold on the INSIDE, instead of the OUTSIDE [where they previously had it...hint, hint]. Yet, you fella's would have us believe that every dwelling place of God on Earth possessed the gold/silver/brass internally....except the NT church??????? Even though He inspired the 2 foremost apostles to instruc the church, "NOT with...GOLD JEWELRY, PEARLS...."?

Then you guys want to correct M-Y theology on the matter!?!?!? Seriously, you need to study a little more & pray w/ an honest heart to God about this matter...remember He won't lead you contrary to His written Word.

Out of pocket 2mmorrow...check back Thurs., if I can. Blessings anyway...rdp.

[Truthseeker]

3Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes NIV


Do not let your adornment be merely outward—arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel NKJV



3Let not yours be the [merely] external adorning with [elaborate] [b] interweaving and knotting of the hair, the wearing of jewelry, or changes of clothes; AMP







What is finre clothes?? Suits/ ties/fancy dresses??? If it doesn't mean to not adorn with clothes, then waht does it mean?





BTW NJ city is indeed the church.


Rev 21:9-10

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife .

10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
KJV


Notice he tell John he's gonna show him the bride, the lanbs wife then take him to a mountain showing him the city, new jerusalem.

Will their be sinners on the earth when the NJ city comes down??

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

3Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes NIV


Do not let your adornment be merely outward—arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel NKJV



3Let not yours be the [merely] external adorning with [elaborate] [b] interweaving and knotting of the hair, the wearing of jewelry, or changes of clothes; AMP







What is finre clothes?? Suits/ ties/fancy dresses??? If it doesn't mean to not adorn with clothes, then waht does it mean?

I'll tell ya' what it is. It's when you go these churches that wouldn't DARE wear rings, necklaces, etc., BUT have no problem w/ elaborate suits that cost at least $300-$500. They have no problem wearing flashy watches in the name of a "time-piece." Their women have no problem wearing these goofy looking high hair-do's [as Jezebel did], etc. ad nauseum. Yes, the inconsistency is absurd & I have noooo desire to fellowship such non-sense...finally we agree on something.





BTW NJ city is indeed the church.


Rev 21:9-10

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife .

10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
KJV


Notice he tell John he's gonna show him the bride, the lanbs wife then take him to a mountain showing him the city, new jerusalem.

Will their be sinners on the earth when the NJ city comes down??

Did you not read my earlier post??? Why did you tatally ignore my point about the bride being arrayed in pure white, in contrast to the whore of Babylon decked out in jewels??? BTW, are you just gonna' evade my point about God's historical dwelling places ON EARTH? Not very honest apologetics.

Besides, your "example" above still fails, since we're not at the end of the eschaton right now...as your example is. Your meshing time frames & pawning it off as relevant to the present....Equivocation Fallacy.

But, still waiting on you to fill out my blank. Do you believe the words of Paul in I Tim. 2, "not with gold jewelry, pearls, or costly apparel.":____________? C'mon, pretty please just fill in ONE blank!?

Out of pocket for the rest of the day.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by rdp

Did you not read my earlier post??? Why did you tatally ignore my point about the bride being arrayed in pure white, in contrast to the whore of Babylon decked out in jewels??? BTW, are you just gonna' evade my point about God's historical dwelling places ON EARTH? Not very honest apologetics.

Besides, your "example" above still fails, since we're not at the end of the eschaton right now...as your example is. Your meshing time frames & pawning it off as relevant to the present....Equivocation Fallacy.

But, still waiting on you to fill out my blank. Do you believe the words of Paul in I Tim. 2, "not with gold jewelry, pearls, or costly apparel.":____________? C'mon, pretty please just fill in ONE blank!?

Out of pocket for the rest of the day.

it's funny, you act like your saying stuff I never thought of or read before. You point about the gold on the inside of the tabernacle is point to consider, but so is the outside was badger skin if I remember right, so much for fancy clothes we wear today.


Of course, I believe all of Paul words, proper understanding might be another thing though.

I know in Tim 2 it says costly apparel while in peter just mentions apparel, I missed your greek lesson on it, so how is adorning with close ok again? You mention 300-500 suits but clothes don't have to be expensive to be adoning? Would a 50 dollar red suit be OK?

For the record, My wife and I do not wear jewelry, well she does wear a bracelet that tells time, but I wear nothing. I'm just looking at this subject from all angles.


You didn't answer my question about if sinners will be outside the NJ city? Do you believe earth will be burnt up before the NJ city comes??

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

it's funny, you act like your saying stuff I never thought of or read before. You point about the gold on the inside of the tabernacle is point to consider, but so is the outside was badger skin if I remember right, so much for fancy clothes we wear today.


Of course, I believe all of Paul words, proper understanding might be another thing though.

I know in Tim 2 it says costly apparel while in peter just mentions apparel, I missed your greek lesson on it, so how is adorning with close ok again?

For the record, My wife and I do not wear jewelry, well she does wear a bracelet that tells time, but I wear nothing. I just looking at this subject from all angles.


You didn't answer my question about if sinners will be outside the NJ city? Do you believe earth will be burnt up before the NJ city comes??

People that use type/shadows to make literal applications to the nth degree are confounding. Most people believe the Temple spoke of how the Kingdom of God comes in servant clothes, the riches are to be discovered.... or that the beauty of the inside is in the Temple... But when someone uses a metaphorical type/shadow without biblical instruction to demand we wear clothes like badger skins, I can't help but chuckle. The only use of our bodies as the temple are from Paul who spoke against those who were giving their bodies over to sexual immorality --- he reminded them that they are the living, breathing, temples where God wants to live and that flagrant sin is not appropriate (of course he also used the "temple of God" analogy corporately in another setting, not individually).

Using the Temple of God analogies to talk about how we should be plain on the outside really is done with poor Biblical interpretation and is unfortunate.

And I should remind you that the Kingdom of God is no longer badger skins, but a bright-shining city set upon a hill (just to update the word-picture), the Kingdom of God is the New Jerusalem coming down from above, a shining city whose builder and maker is God. Like our redemptions, that city is both now and later.