Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[Truthseeker]

i think one point in favor of the no jewelry position is that if Tim 2 is not prohibiting jewelry then broided(fancy) hair and costly apparel is ok to wear then. Kinda hard to explain that one.

[Truthseeker]

I think one thing that's confusing is how churches say their against jewelry but wear wedding ring and bracelets that have a clock on it.

[jfrog]

onefaith2, you seem reasonable. Maybe you can you answer a question of mine. In 1 Peter 3:3 why do some translations include the word fine/beautiful before clothes/apparel and others do not?

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by jfrog

onefaith2, you seem reasonable. Maybe you can you answer a question of mine. In 1 Peter 3:3 why do some translations include the word fine/beautiful before clothes/apparel and others do not?

Good question? Which translation?

This one is saying

1 Peter 3:3 (Contemporary English Version)
3Don't depend on things like fancy hairdos or gold jewelry or expensive clothes to make you look beautiful.


All of the above makes one look beautiful but Paul is exhorting based on this scripture to not depend on those things to make one look beautiful. This is not the "not with" per say as it doesn't seem to be a total ban, but rather what godly women should choose.

Here is another interesting one

1 Peter 3
1Wives, in a similar way, place yourselves under your husbands’ authority. Some husbands may not obey God’s word. Their wives could win these men for Christ by the way they live without saying anything. 2Their husbands would see how pure and reverent their lives are.

3Wives must not let their beauty be something external. Beauty doesn’t come from hairstyles, gold jewelry, or clothes. 4Rather, beauty is something internal that can’t be destroyed. Beauty expresses itself in a gentle and quiet attitude which God considers precious. 5After all, this is how holy women who had confidence in God expressed their beauty in the past. They placed themselves under their husbands’ authority 6as Sarah did. Sarah obeyed Abraham and spoke to him respectfully. You became Sarah’s daughters by not letting anything make you afraid to do good.

7Husbands, in a similar way, live with your wives with understanding since they are weaker than you are. Honor your wives as those who share God’s life-giving kindness[a] so that nothing will interfere with your prayers.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Good question? Which translation?

This one is saying

1 Peter 3:3 (Contemporary English Version)
3Don't depend on things like fancy hairdos or gold jewelry or expensive clothes to make you look beautiful.


All of the above makes one look beautiful but Paul is exhorting based on this scripture to not depend on those things to make one look beautiful. This is not the "not with" per say as it doesn't seem to be a total ban, but rather what godly women should choose.

Here is another interesting one

1 Peter 3
1Wives, in a similar way, place yourselves under your husbands’ authority. Some husbands may not obey God’s word. Their wives could win these men for Christ by the way they live without saying anything. 2Their husbands would see how pure and reverent their lives are.

3Wives must not let their beauty be something external. Beauty doesn’t come from hairstyles, gold jewelry, or clothes. 4Rather, beauty is something internal that can’t be destroyed. Beauty expresses itself in a gentle and quiet attitude which God considers precious. 5After all, this is how holy women who had confidence in God expressed their beauty in the past. They placed themselves under their husbands’ authority 6as Sarah did. Sarah obeyed Abraham and spoke to him respectfully. You became Sarah’s daughters by not letting anything make you afraid to do good.

7Husbands, in a similar way, live with your wives with understanding since they are weaker than you are. Honor your wives as those who share God’s life-giving kindness[a] so that nothing will interfere with your prayers.

[houston]

I can feel it coming in the air tonight...

[acerrak]

most churches back then were in secret. hidden. exspecially during the persecution.
there are caves in ephesus today were christians hid and had fellowship.

it is also the one reason why the fish symbol was made. it was like a secret symbol to allow other christians to know that they were followers of Christ with out hanging a sign on there door. Good history.

[onefaith2]

Sorry you do not agree but must go on what the Holy Ghost has shown me. I would not expect one who disagrees with Paul or Peter advising against jewelry to agree anyway. However to say I am making up a doctrine or reading into the text is wrong. Jewelry is not God's beauty today. The fruit of the spirit is the beauty today, not in gold or silver or costly array.

I didn't say Jesus humbled himself because he had no jewelry. Jesus humbled himself in his appearance, his words, and his choice of where he lodged and how he spent time with. Its much more than just jewelry.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Sorry you do not agree but must go on what the Holy Ghost has shown me. I would not expect one who disagrees with Paul or Peter advising against jewelry to agree anyway. However to say I am making up a doctrine or reading into the text is wrong. Jewelry is not God's beauty today. The fruit of the spirit is the beauty today, not in gold or silver or costly array.

I didn't say Jesus humbled himself because he had no jewelry. Jesus humbled himself in his appearance, his words, and his choice of where he lodged and how he spent time with. Its much more than just jewelry.

Sorry, but I still maintain you are adding to the Word. We just have to disagree about this. The bible does not say anything about his appearance, words, choice of where he lived was being humble. It says His humanity was what humbled Him. I have chapter and verse that says that.

And for you to say I disagree with Paul's or Peter's words, is to claim your interpretation is correct and no one else's is. It is not a matter of disagreeing with Peter or Paul, but disagreeing with your interpretation. I already stated that Peter was solely speaking about how women would appeal to their lost husbands for salvation, and Paul was speaking about appealing to the outward to show our character.

Just because fruit of the Spirit is TRUE and greater beauty, does not mean mankind must not beautify themselves in any manner outwardly. It's a matter of knowing what is greater or not. Otherwise, we should look like swine and leave our appearance unkempt.

To say jewelry is forbidden in the NT, when it is not, is to say God conflicted with Himself and nonsensically used an unholy picture to illustrate the a holy thing.

Thanks for your thoughts!

[mfblume]

Nobody responded, but I already stated Jesus had a seamless robe with was COSTLY ARRAY in that day.

Clarke said:

"the high priest had a long robe of a blue color, which hung down to the feet, and was put over all the rest." It is likely that this was the same with that upper garment which the soldiers divided among them, it being probably of a costly stuff. I may just add here, that I knew a woman who knit all kinds of clothes, even to the sleeves and button holes, without a seam; and have seen some of the garments which she made; that the thing is possible I have the fullest proof.