Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[Sam]

Originally Posted by On The Wheel

How true those words are. Thank God for shepherds that work for God's kingdom, not their own.

We can get so discouraged when we see these "pomaded, privileged, powdered, pampered princes of pentecost practicing their pimping, pontificating, pushing, playing and politicking (to borrow some imagery from someone's previous post) that we want to throw up our hands in disgust and give up on all ministers,
but,
remember,
there are lots of the genuine article out there who are genuinely serving the Lord.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by On The Wheel

Yeah, we see that. Do you?

I've seen preachers that launch diatribes against someone who wears a modest wedding band or a broach on their dress, while wearing a suit that costs 800 dollars, shoes that cost 500 dollars, and cuff links that cost 150 dollars, and more. They are fervently amened by wives with all manner of adornment in their hair (somehow hair, the only place where adornment is specifically prohibited in this verse, has become the acceptable only place to wear ornamentation), who are themselves wearing clothes that are vastly beyond the financial reach of almost anyone in the congregation. They look down their long noses ensconced in their luxurious mansions at the great, carnal unwashed and condemn them for being in violation of the same scriptures they choose to ignore themselves.

The HYPOCRISY IS MORE THAN I CAN STAND! (Yes, I AM SHOUTING)

I've observed the disgusting hypocrisy of this position for years and it sickens me.

Couldn't agree more! In fact, I was just at a camp-meeting last night where there was soooo much costly array & big goofy hair-do's that it made me sick. However, the Word still says "not with gold, pearls, or costly array..." What part of "N-O-T" don't you understand???? Sheesh!

Just because someone else is inconsistent in their "stands" against jewelry doesn't mean that you throw out the baby w/ the bath-water. I, personally, do not even wear a watch, as I feel that's it's hypocritical to blast someone else for a wedding band [which I teach against].....then actaully WEAR a watch-band!

So, in the final analysis, I agree w/ much of what you've stated above, but would simply add that inconsistency does not equal invalidation. I rarely check in on here anymore, so may take me a while to respond. Blessings....

[SeekingOne]

Originally Posted by rdp

Agree, "people refuse to see what is right before their eyes." "....N-O-T with gold, or pearls, or costly array." [I Tim. 2:9].

Do you know what the term "not" means?

Let's get this in contex:
Amplified Bible
9Also [I desire] that women should adorn themselves modestly and appropriately and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with [elaborate] hair arrangement or gold or pearls or expensive clothing,

10But by doing good deeds (deeds in themselves good and for the good and advantage of those contacted by them), as befits women who profess reverential fear for and devotion to God.

First, it doesn't say N-O-T jewelry, but elaborate hair, gold, pearls and expensive clothing. So some churches say n-o-t jewelry but elaborate hair and expensive clothing are fine?

Second, the focus is to get away from external appearance and focus on serving people.

By the way, I don't wear jewelry, but I don't think wearing pretty things are sinful if they don't turn heads (aka drawing attention to oneself.) I think an outfit that draws attention is worse than someone wearing something simple with simple jewelry. Still, I am judging here, who cares what I think!! LOL God's word does not say no jewelry, period.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by SeekingOne

Let's get this in contex:
Amplified Bible
9Also [I desire] that women should adorn themselves modestly and appropriately and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with [elaborate] hair arrangement or gold or pearls or expensive clothing,

10But by doing good deeds (deeds in themselves good and for the good and advantage of those contacted by them), as befits women who profess reverential fear for and devotion to God.

First, it doesn't say N-O-T jewelry, but elaborate hair, gold, pearls and expensive clothing. So some churches say n-o-t jewelry but elaborate hair and expensive clothing are fine?

Second, the focus is to get away from external appearance and focus on serving people.

By the way, I don't wear jewelry, but I don't think wearing pretty things are sinful if they don't turn heads (aka drawing attention to oneself.) I think an outfit that draws attention is worse than someone wearing something simple with simple jewelry. Still, I am judging here, who cares what I think!! LOL God's word does not say no jewelry, period.

The Amplified Bible is not a translation that I would appeal to for accurate exegesis...though it does have some good points. However, even your own quotation above says "not" w/ gold. The "elaborate" is in brackets, which means that it was added by the Amplified Bible translators, not found in the original wording. All you have to do is go to the front of the translation & it'll tell you this. So, the Bible still says "not with....gold." Sorry, it's still there. Out of pocket for a while....Blessings.

[Godsdrummer]

Ho Hum

and around and round we will go.

[SeekingOne]

Originally Posted by rdp

The Amplified Bible is not a translation that I would appeal to for accurate exegesis...though it does have some good points. However, even your own quotation above says "not" w/ gold. The "elaborate" is in brackets, which means that it was added by the Amplified Bible translators, not found in the original wording. All you have to do is go to the front of the translation & it'll tell you this. So, the Bible still says "not with....gold." Sorry, it's still there. Out of pocket for a while....Blessings.

But it STILL doesn't say no jewelry. Not all jewelry is gold or costly. I am sure that I see "holiness" women wear more expensive clothing than most of the jewelry that my friends wear.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by SeekingOne

But it STILL doesn't say no jewelry. Not all jewelry is gold or costly. I am sure that I see "holiness" women wear more expensive clothing than most of the jewelry that my friends wear.

Deut. 7:25 references gold & silver. Is. 3 enumerates many ornaments & God calls if "filth" in chp. 4. The clothing articles mentioned there most likely refers to the intertwining of gold & silver into these articles. The entire context of Is. 3 is the ostentatious & extravagant. Sooo many more that I could reference, but pressed for time.

As mentioned earlier, my wife & I do not wear expensive clothing. Indeed, most of my suits come from Wal-Mart, which costs no more than $80. Most of the time I wait for them to go on clearance & get them for around $40.

Again, just because there are some who violate these principles does not mean that you throw out the baby w/ the bathwater. Some claim genuine repentance, but show fruit otherwise. Should we therefore now stop teaching repentance to a lost world?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by rdp

Deut. 7:25 references gold & silver. Is. 3 enumerates many ornaments & God calls if "filth" in chp. 4. The clothing articles mentioned there most likely refers to the intertwining of gold & silver into these articles. The entire context of Is. 3 is the ostentatious & extravagant. Sooo many more that I could reference, but pressed for time.

As mentioned earlier, my wife & I do not wear expensive clothing. Indeed, most of my suits come from Wal-Mart, which costs no more than $80. Most of the time I wait for them to go on clearance & get them for around $40.

Again, just because there are some who violate these principles does not mean that you throw out the baby w/ the bathwater. Some claim genuine repentance, but show fruit otherwise. Should we therefore now stop teaching repentance to a lost world?

I'll do ya one better. I simply don't wear suits -and the shorts and dress pants I DO have to occasional put on are usually purchased at Sam's Club for $15 (and very occasionally $20) bucks. Throw in a $15-20 Hawaiin shirt from Kohl's (on the extreme sales rack of course) and you got a whole outfit for 30-45 bucks.

I have to admit though that I recently spent a hundred bucks on a pair of hiking boots which seemed outrageous to me since I almost never wear any shoes over 40, but I could really tell the difference in quality and since we do a lot of hiking it seemed like money well spent.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

I find it funny how people refuse to see what is right before there eyes. Earlyer I refered to Ezekiel 16 where God gave them jewlery and someone came back and said I was using a parablic passage to justify jewlery. Well ya It was still the voice of God to Ezekial telling him what to say. The fact remains God gave Isreal her wealth and she used it in whoredom and God judged her. Bottom line. I mean if God blesses me with a nice car and I use that car to sell Drugs for instance and God takes that car away from me and my home and a few other blessing he has given me does that mean that the car was a sin or the home etc. A Big Resounding No !!! Yet this is how some use scripture to preach doctrines against things they think are wrong. This covers the hair issue and several other issues in my opinion.

Furthermore, would God someone a nice (and expensive) car as a blessing, then in the next breath proclaim ALL expensive cars as off limits? That is close to what we are being told to believe in regards to jewelry.