Dr. Gerald Jeffers - Page 11

deacon blues · #1 12-06-2011, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ApostolicRob

WOW I cant believe this that you guys can all sit here a bash a man on God that you most all have said you do not know nor heard the things being said you are accusing him of. (1Ch 16:22 [Saying], Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.) I know Dr Jeffers personally as a member of MorningStar Apostolic Church In'tl he is a great friend to our church and has never once preached or counselled anyone in a manner that was not of God in 20 years at our church. I think it is really showing what the saints of God have turned into when we sit here and bash someone over what they have HEARD. What ever happened to two or three witnesses? You don't think the devil will use someone to put a bug in your ear if it will make you reject Gods word because of the man he used.

2-3 witnesses? How about entire Districts? Hundreds of churches, hundreds of ministers, thousands of members?

Sister Alvear · #2 12-05-2011, 06:54 AM

it was at Morning Star where I heard him preach...He did awesome there and nothing out of place was said there.

The Lemon · #3 12-05-2011, 07:08 AM

Nobody is immune to failing and falling. Only by the help and grace of God and through His mercy can we stand. We are remined that "He that thinketh he stand, take heed, lest he fall". We do not stand on our own, we are not righteous on our own, and certainly are not saved on our own.

One of the largest misunderstandings amoung Apostolics is the difference between Holiness and modest apparel. While the two certainly linked, there is a difference. There really is no such thing as "Holiness Standards", there is, however, such a thing as modest apparel. The standard for Holiness is Christ and belonging to Him. Modest apparel and chaste conversation (that is both speech and living example), are also important and bilbical.

It amazes me the level of illiteracy on these two important topics. And while I certainly believe in both, there must be an honest answer given about some modest apparel standards taught and practiced at many churches. Much of what is taught is tradition. the principle of modesty is biblical, the application, in many cases (not all), is tradition.

houston · #4 12-05-2011, 11:59 AM

watch out, renda. a bear is gna eat you!

rgcraig · #5 12-05-2011, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by houston

watch out, renda. a bear is gna eat you!

AncientPaths · #6 12-05-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ApostolicRob

Okay well Im not going to fight with anyone on this. This is Gods fight not mine we all know his word and if you want to keep bashing his anointed regardless of the mistakes you claim him to have made that up to you. He is a man of God and a Prophet so that is on your head because "life and death is in the tongue" hope you have a great day and hopefully I am not casting pearls among swine.

Bless

So as a close personal friend, are you really in a position to be objective?

Also - and I'm not saying this about him specifically as I don't know him - the advent of internet forums and YouTube bring things to light that might otherwise go unchecked. Making comments and stating opinions based on publicly available information is not always bashing. Sometimes it's about a community of believers protecting itself.

And the "touch not mine annointed" card has been played way too many times by way too many wackos. It's like a protection clause for false teachers.

Plus - we trust Renda

rgcraig · #7 12-05-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AncientPaths

So as a close personal friend, are you really in a position to be objective?

Also - and I'm not saying this about him specifically as I don't know him - the advent of internet forums and YouTube bring things to light that might otherwise go unchecked. Making comments and stating opinions based on publicly available information is not always bashing. Sometimes it's about a community of believers protecting itself.

And the "touch not mine annointed" card has been played way too many times by way too many wackos. It's like a protection clause for false teachers.

Plus - we trust Renda

Thanks AP!

Jack Shephard · #8 12-05-2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AncientPaths

So as a close personal friend, are you really in a position to be objective?

Also - and I'm not saying this about him specifically as I don't know him - the advent of internet forums and YouTube bring things to light that might otherwise go unchecked. Making comments and stating opinions based on publicly available information is not always bashing. Sometimes it's about a community of believers protecting itself.

And the "touch not mine annointed" card has been played way too many times by way too many wackos. It's like a protection clause for false teachers.

Plus - we trust Renda

Ditto

Charnock · #9 12-05-2011, 01:15 PM

Conservative Appies are a lot like Catholics.

1. Priest and/or Pastor infallibility.
2. Priest and/or Pastor is "accountable" for the people.
3. The church has the right to create doctrines as it sees fit (standards).

deacon blues · #10 12-06-2011, 08:53 AM

Haven't read this thread but I can tell you that this man and "ministry" is very dangerous. I know firsthand. He's burned many bridges with entire districts of the UPC and has created a lot of trouble in churches and brought division among families under the guise of hyper-spirituality. Proverbs 6 says that God hates those that sow discord among brethren. Be circumspect, very circumspect.